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Forums - Nintendo - Put a fork in the Wii U, it is done. [Sensible discussion only, no flaming]

Vinniegambini said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Screamapillar said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Fayceless said:
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An excellent strategy.

On topic: games sell consoles. Wii U will get games. It will sell then. Not on Wii levels, but it'll turn a good profit.



Games didn't sell Game Cube and N64. I don't know how many you expect the U to sell but if it's at SNES or NES levels you are going to be dissapointed.

As for profit? Ps3 lost money... they lost more money because they didn't sell as many as they wanted to... they lost even more money after that because they cut price sooner then they wanted to. Wii U is in the same boat. This is the first time Nintendo sold a console at launch and they definatly aren't selling nearly as much as they expected to sell (probably will miss their initial projection by 35%) and retailers and publishers are calling them out for a price cut.


GameCube and N64 were both profitable game systems.  They made Nintendo lots of money.  In fact, I would argue that games were the only reason GameCube and N64 sold anything at all.

PS3 is no comparison, it launched at $600 and was sold at a loss of over $100.  Wii U is sold only at a slight loss, so it's really not a sensible comparison.

those systems didnt sell at loss like wii u

A common mistake, the Gamecube was sold at a loss - http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=4178

Yeah, towards the end of the gen when they sold close to 0 units at 99$ because people standing around doing nothing is costly



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mutantclown said:
Screamapillar said:
mutantclown said:
Screamapillar said:
mutantclown said:
noname2200 said:
mutantclown said:

 If Nintendo was doing so great then why did they kill the Wii? gotcha indeed.


"Kill the Wii?"  What are you talking about?  Every system has an expiration date, when the next system begins to take over and you have to let your previous-gen system go.  Every system.  Ever.  How is the Wii any different?  In fact, it's had a longer life as Nintendo's current home console than the N64, GameCube, and even the SNES for that matter.  Those systems were only supported for five years.  Wii was supported for six.

You call what the Wii got on 2011 and 2012, "support"? it was on life-support, yeah.

Factually speaking, Wii was Nintendo's home console for six years, while SNES, N64, and GameCube were only their current console for five.  So, it is true.  We can go back and forth about particular games, like Skyward Sword in Q4 2011 and Mario Party 9 in Q1 2012.  But I'm just pointing out that you're incorrect when you say Nintendo killed the Wii, as it was their longest console cycle since the original NES.

 

Well, it was techically dead before they got the chance to actually kill it, so my mistake.

Well, that's only as true as it was for any other game console that gets left with next to nothing in it's last year on the market before a successor.  It's not like Wii had fewer games in it's final 12 months than the GameCube or N64 did.



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Max King of the Wild said:
Vinniegambini said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Screamapillar said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Fayceless said:

GameCube and N64 were both profitable game systems.  They made Nintendo lots of money.  In fact, I would argue that games were the only reason GameCube and N64 sold anything at all.

PS3 is no comparison, it launched at $600 and was sold at a loss of over $100.  Wii U is sold only at a slight loss, so it's really not a sensible comparison.

those systems didnt sell at loss like wii u

A common mistake, the Gamecube was sold at a loss - http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=4178

Yeah, towards the end of the gen when they sold close to 0 units at 99$ because people standing around doing nothing is costly

GameCube only sold at a loss during a brief period in 2002 when they lowered the price in North America from $199 to $149 after sales collapsed following the launch.  But systems are at their cheapest selling price in their final years not because companies are taking a loss but because the cost to manufacture the system decreases the longer it remains on the market.  GameCube wasn't selling at a loss in 2005 at $99, it was making money. 



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Another absurd thread



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watch out. something like that can get you banned.

OT: Non-belivers will worry  but how does a Mario Kart Wii U holiday 2013 release with a possible bundle sound? Sounds like a smash hit console seller to me. Don't forget about post E3.


Don't forget that Wii Fit U is supposed to come out within the next couple months or so. That will also likely see a summer bundle deal of some sort, and that game and name brand still has enough "oomph" to it, that I could almost guarantee it will sell well and move some consoles off shelves.

 

 

@amp316

 

I'm pretty sure all the fans of Monster Hunter Tri would disagree with you. I also think that Lego City Undercover, Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 would disagree with you, along with Zombi U, which had a pretty decent attach rate considering the console has old sold somewhere over 3 million units. There will be 3rd party exclusives that people want beyond those, it's inevitable. Rayman Legends SHOULD have been one of them, but then again no one ever did accuse Ubisoft of being particularly smart.



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Vinniegambini said:

I'm slightly confused by this statement as it is not valid. Firstly, Nintendo posted a net loss of over 500 million due to 3DS hardware sales being sold at a loss and software sales were not sufficient to negate the loss during Nintendo's last fiscal year, ending March 2012. Secondly, this fiscal year, Nintendo has thus far posted an operating loss of 50 million but a net profit of 150 million; consequently, they are a profitable company as of late. In essence, your statement of Nintendo posting a loss because of the Wii U is invalid as during Nintendo's last fiscal year, it was not released. This fiscal year, they are profitable largely because of exchange gains. Hence, I fail to see as to how you were able to deduct that...

Nintendo would not be profitable it if were a software only company; Sega is a prime example of how the transition from hardware to software only is a difficult one and hardly profitable endeavor.

Nintendo have stated on numerous occassions that if one day, if such is the only choice (software company), Nintendo would take their IP's with them to the grave.

My apologies then, i was missinformed. Though if the loss was because off a price drop on the 3DS it was essentialy still hardware that caused it.

Sega is not a good comparison because it's IP's aren't nearly as big as Nintendo's. Games like Mario kart etc. would sell 10m/20m/30m regarding what system they are sold on. The thing is that the hardware market has simply become much harder to compete on in the last two generations. Back in the N64/Gamecube day they we're able to launch a competing system at $199 with room for a price cut. If they hade try to do the same thing with Wii they would not have been able to, so they played it right and launched something entirely different(motion controls) at a very profitable $250 and it sold very well. With Wii-U they kind of tried to compete again but didn't go all the way, and now are stuck with an $300 system wich has no change against PS4 on the hardware front, and with an innovation in the tablet controller that doesn't seem to appeal to anyone. And still at $300 with a game included it doesn't make them a profit directly. Basically i don't think Nintendo will ever be able to sell the Wii-U at a profit because everytime they will get close they will have to cut the price because off sells slowing down.

The bottom line is Nintendo's franchises could easily sell 100m+ pieces of software each generation, and the Wii with games like Mario Kart has showed that these sales can go up much higher depending on install base. Basically i think they would make more money selling their games on other platforms with a much larger combined install base than selling on the Wii-U alone, and since that console itself costs them money there is simply no sense any more continuing in the hardware bussiness from a bussiness perspective atleast.



Meret said:
Another absurd thread


We have been experiencing a flood of "nintendo-doom" threads on these forum lately. Pratically every 3 days someone open a new thread with exactely the same issue. Wouldn´t it just be simpler to answer a thread, instead of making several similar threads ?

Sometimes I think haters and fanboys open these threads only on purpose of irritating others.



Osc89 said:
Mr Khan said:

which isn't an official price cut, that he's comparing to Vita's official, Japan-only price cut.

Does it matter if the price cut is official or not? If everywhere I look has already taken off £50, doesn't it have the same effect?

There's a big difference. An official price-cut is carefully planned and often timed with big software releases (see Vita in Japan). The UK price cut was made in the middle of a software drought, so if someone was not willing to part with $350 just to play NSMBU and Nintendo Land dropping the price to $300 probably won't entice him to buy it. On the other hand, if the price goes down to $300 just as say Mario Kart and Smash Bros come out then suddenly you've got a lot more people interested in paying for the console.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Can someone please answer me this.....When the PS4/720 sells 1/2 - 2/3 of what the WiiU has in the same time frame, will they be doomed as well??? Just wondering.

No, because due to their power, they're obviously going to have much longer lifespans while the Wii U is destined to completely fizzle out a little under 3 years from now, two more holiday seasons including this upcoming one. It's a much bigger deal for the Wii U to limp this early on than it is the 720 or PS4.

 

That said, if either sell, say, 25k in all of their first January in the US (half of what the WiiU has in same time frame), yes, that would be very troubling.



TruckOSaurus said:
Osc89 said:
Mr Khan said:

which isn't an official price cut, that he's comparing to Vita's official, Japan-only price cut.

Does it matter if the price cut is official or not? If everywhere I look has already taken off £50, doesn't it have the same effect?

There's a big difference. An official price-cut is carefully planned and often timed with big software releases (see Vita in Japan). The UK price cut was made in the middle of a software drought, so if someone was not willing to part with $350 just to play NSMBU and Nintendo Land dropping the price to $300 probably won't entice him to buy it. On the other hand, if the price goes down to $300 just as say Mario Kart and Smash Bros come out then suddenly you've got a lot more people interested in paying for the console.

Oh I see. Does the UK unofficial price cut damage future price cuts then?



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