Capital comes from savings... that's what capital is.  Someone using money they've saved to start a business and then grow it, etc, etc.  Money printed out of thin air by a computer by the Dept of the Treasury is not capital.  It's an I.O.U.  That is what is crippling us.  The value of our currency is collapsing, and if you need evidence of that, look no further than how high politicians and bureaucrats think the next increase to the minimum wage ought to be.  The unemployment rate the government uses as a figure to determine how the economy is doing is completely disengenuous.  They don't even count people that have ceased looking for work. 

I never said anything about crushing the middle or lower class. Politicians are crushing them by squeezing their pocket books.  Everything we buy is getting more and more expensive, and our wages are not increasing.  That is the problem.  That problem is caused by the deliberate inflation of our currency and the blind eye nearly every single politcian is turning to that fact.

You flat out say people on the right aren't as educated as you people on the left. So I point out your poor grammar and you feel I went low? Sounds like you do a much better job giving it than taking it.

For the record... I think the horrible work done by the left keeps the people I love in power. Think about it!

spaceguy then: The congress spends the money, not the potus. Learn your civics.

spaceguy now: Bill Clinton single-handedly balanced the budget!

Sometimes I feel like spaceguy is secretly a Republican disguising as a Democrat to make the left look bad and as crazy as the right is perceived.

OT: We have debt. We need to pay it. Simple as that.

Or default so it doesn't exist any more. Then basically dare the world to stop trading with the USA.

I said propose. So Obama says, we're going to get out of this by laying fibre to every home,  raising actual academic standards in every school, high speed rail in every city, etc.

And then the Rpublicans can say, we will get out by cutting taxes, by cutting social programmes, by eliminating waste.

And the country gets to choose between two complete, respectful, competent proposals.

Instead we get personal attacks, self-interest, and lots of uncertainty/policy division that scares away investors. It's the mechanical problems that are the worst, not the ideological ones. A Republican party that did what it claims to believe in (small government) would be constructive in opposition as well as in power.

iraq oil 

thats 2 words that led us in to war lol

so obama hasnt spent a dime eh?  see how that works

its like whenbush was in office the right said he had nothing to do with high gas prices (which he didnt) to obama is the reason for high gas prices.

face it the hypocrisy is delicious

Lol at the people who are supporting us defaulting on our debt, lets be serious guys.

Except... It didn't.

Do you know who the #1 exporter of oil is from Iraq?

The US? You guessed wrong. Its China. In fact, Asia gets 50% of Iraq's exports. North America (including the US) gets a whopping 30%.