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nnodley on 16 March 2013
foodfather said:
I'm not seeing it. Hell the jump from PS2 to Xbox was even bigger. Killzone SF, gameplay looks just like current gen games, its just that set piece even at the end that looked impressive.

Crysis 3 PC gameplay also looks like current gen games, so whats your point.



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NightDragon83 on 16 March 2013
ethomaz said:
Jay520 said:
Maybe in terms of pixels, teraflops, gigahertz, RAM, memory, [insert more technical jargon], etc. But it doesn't look like it at all, at least not with my eyes. Most of the games shown looked like super-polished PS3 games, for the videos that actually showed gameplay. I guess that's one effect when graphics become so good that further advancements can't be noticed by the human eye. I believe the PS1 --> PS2 and PS2 --> PS3 were much more impressive.

Of course this is based on what was shown so far. I'll need to play it on an HDTV for my final judgement. And I will also have to wait for later games. Though I doubt I would have the ability to truly appreciate the entirety of the advancement.

Just look at the launch games for PS3... they are close or only a little better than GoW2, Shadown of Colossus or Vangrant Story... Killzone launch title for PS4 is way better than GoW:A for example.

You kidding?  Are you telling me that Resistance and Motorstorm look "only a little better" than late-gen PS2 games?

GoW2:

Shadow of the Colossus:

Resistance, Fall of Man:

Motorstorm:

Aside from the character models of the colossi in Shadow of the Colossus, none of those late-gen PS2 games are even comparable to a 1st gen PS3 game from a graphics standpoint.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Max King of the Wild on 16 March 2013
NightDragon83 said:
ethomaz said:
Jay520 said:
Maybe in terms of pixels, teraflops, gigahertz, RAM, memory, [insert more technical jargon], etc. But it doesn't look like it at all, at least not with my eyes. Most of the games shown looked like super-polished PS3 games, for the videos that actually showed gameplay. I guess that's one effect when graphics become so good that further advancements can't be noticed by the human eye. I believe the PS1 --> PS2 and PS2 --> PS3 were much more impressive.

Of course this is based on what was shown so far. I'll need to play it on an HDTV for my final judgement. And I will also have to wait for later games. Though I doubt I would have the ability to truly appreciate the entirety of the advancement.

Just look at the launch games for PS3... they are close or only a little better than GoW2, Shadown of Colossus or Vangrant Story... Killzone launch title for PS4 is way better than GoW:A for example.

You kidding?  Are you telling me that Resistance and Motorstorm look "only a little better" than late-gen PS2 games?

GoW2:

 

Shadow of the Colossus:

 

Resistance, Fall of Man:

 

 

Motorstorm:

 

Aside from the character models of the colossi in Shadow of the Colossus, none of those late-gen PS2 games are even comparable to a 1st gen PS3 game from a graphics standpoint.



Yes, Gow2 was comparable to Genji and Untold Legends. NBA '07 was comparable to NBA 07 on Ps2. Why are you comparing an action game to a racing game?



NightDragon83 on 16 March 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
NightDragon83 said:
ethomaz said:
Jay520 said:
Maybe in terms of pixels, teraflops, gigahertz, RAM, memory, [insert more technical jargon], etc. But it doesn't look like it at all, at least not with my eyes. Most of the games shown looked like super-polished PS3 games, for the videos that actually showed gameplay. I guess that's one effect when graphics become so good that further advancements can't be noticed by the human eye. I believe the PS1 --> PS2 and PS2 --> PS3 were much more impressive.

Of course this is based on what was shown so far. I'll need to play it on an HDTV for my final judgement. And I will also have to wait for later games. Though I doubt I would have the ability to truly appreciate the entirety of the advancement.

Just look at the launch games for PS3... they are close or only a little better than GoW2, Shadown of Colossus or Vangrant Story... Killzone launch title for PS4 is way better than GoW:A for example.

You kidding?  Are you telling me that Resistance and Motorstorm look "only a little better" than late-gen PS2 games?

GoW2:

 

Shadow of the Colossus:

 

Resistance, Fall of Man:

 

 

Motorstorm:

 

Aside from the character models of the colossi in Shadow of the Colossus, none of those late-gen PS2 games are even comparable to a 1st gen PS3 game from a graphics standpoint.



Yes, Gow2 was comparable to Genji and Untold Legends. NBA '07 was comparable to NBA 07 on Ps2. Why are you comparing an action game to a racing game?

I was comparing the top late-gen PS2 exclusives to the top PS3 launch exclusives.  Why are you comparing sports games?  That's a terrible barometer... Madden '06 on 360 looked hardly any better than Madden on the current gen consoles of the time for example, and it played even worse due to the bugs.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

drkohler on 16 March 2013
Jay520 said:
But it doesn't look like it at all, at least not with my eyes. Most of the games shown looked like super-polished PS3 games, for the videos that actually showed gameplay.

I'd kind of expect that. Those demoes were beta-software, using grphics systems in their late beta-stage, running on an os in late beta-stage. I'm not even sure if Sony really gave acces to all the nifty things in the hardware at that time. Launch software will probably look like polished PS3 software, but without frame rate chaos - which should aready be good enough for most gamers.



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Max King of the Wild on 16 March 2013
NightDragon83 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
NightDragon83 said:
ethomaz said:
 

 

 


Yes, Gow2 was comparable to Genji and Untold Legends. NBA '07 was comparable to NBA 07 on Ps2. Why are you comparing an action game to a racing game?

I was comparing the top late-gen PS2 exclusives to the top PS3 launch exclusives.  Why are you comparing sports games?  That's a terrible barometer... Madden '06 on 360 looked hardly any better than Madden on the current gen consoles of the time for example, and it played even worse due to the bugs.



Like I said, Ps3 launch titles were like polished Ps2 titles.



NeilStrauss on 16 March 2013
ethomaz said:
The graphical leap from PS3 to PS4 is in fact bigger than the graphical leap saw in PS2 to PS3.

Killzone Shadow Fall showed the biggest graphical leap between generations I ever see in a launch game for any platform.


October seems so far away. =/



platformmaster918 on 16 March 2013

I would like some of these games that I see running at 1080p and 60fps that were gimped on this gen's consoles like ME and Skyrim to be ported over at a lowered cost. Skyrim would be awesome with a nice framerate. Considering the PC architecture it would be pretty easy to do I'd think.




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Max King of the Wild on 16 March 2013
NightDragon83 said:
ethomaz said:
Jay520 said:
Maybe in terms of pixels, teraflops, gigahertz, RAM, memory, [insert more technical jargon], etc. But it doesn't look like it at all, at least not with my eyes. Most of the games shown looked like super-polished PS3 games, for the videos that actually showed gameplay. I guess that's one effect when graphics become so good that further advancements can't be noticed by the human eye. I believe the PS1 --> PS2 and PS2 --> PS3 were much more impressive.

Of course this is based on what was shown so far. I'll need to play it on an HDTV for my final judgement. And I will also have to wait for later games. Though I doubt I would have the ability to truly appreciate the entirety of the advancement.

Just look at the launch games for PS3... they are close or only a little better than GoW2, Shadown of Colossus or Vangrant Story... Killzone launch title for PS4 is way better than GoW:A for example.

You kidding?  Are you telling me that Resistance and Motorstorm look "only a little better" than late-gen PS2 games?

GoW2:

 

Shadow of the Colossus:

 

Resistance, Fall of Man:

Motorstorm:

Aside from the character models of the colossi in Shadow of the Colossus, none of those late-gen PS2 games are even comparable to a 1st gen PS3 game from a graphics standpoint.



Also, that seems to be a bullshot... i didn't rembering resistance looking that decent and it wasn't.



archbrix on 16 March 2013
CGI-Quality said:
nnodley said:
foodfather said:
I'm not seeing it. Hell the jump from PS2 to Xbox was even bigger. Killzone SF, gameplay looks just like current gen games, its just that set piece even at the end that looked impressive.

Crysis 3 PC gameplay also looks like current gen games, so whats your point.

That's up for debate. Don't make me post pics, bub!

Agreed. For anyone who can't see Crysis 3 running at its full potential, check out some of the "7 Wonders" gameplay footage on Youtube. It really shows the Killzone demo's limits, at least in its current form.