AssAssAssCreed needs to go and that's about it.

I understand. So you must be combining the Super Mario series with other series that feature the character Mario? Mario Kart, Paper Mario, etc.?

I personally separate the Super Mario platform series from the racing, RPG, sports, and party series, but I know not everyone does that.

To answer the OP, I'd like all those series to stay. The only think that bothers me are HD collections -- those to me are cash grabs.

I am pretty sure Ratchet and Clank is dead, so this will make a break forever. Metal Gear has had its break for quite some time, its for a new entry. God of War, Gears of War, Killzone, and Halo should take a break for at 3 years, to really be able to bring something new to the table.

you may aswell just ask do you like the franchise or not. And nothing is milked until it doesnt get near expectation or make a profit, if it continues to do those 2 releasing 2 games a year there is obviously demand for it so its not milked. which is what most of those franchises are doing

Mario - 85 since 2000.  8 Mainline Series

I think this would be the best way of calculating main Mario games.  all of the 3D Mario titles plus the non Mario Land 2D titles.

Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, NSMB, NSMBWii, NSMB 2, NSMBU, Super Mario 3D Land. 

That would probably be the most accepted way of stating Mario mainline games, at least in my humble opinion.

Yeah but dont you consider Paper Mario and Mario kart mainline as well?  I mean i would.  Maybe not Mario Party, Mario golf, etc but definitely Mario kart at least

Its a major spinnoff that has created a life and genre of its own.  It might be worth making an extra bullet point dedicated to just Mario Kart, but I digress.  In my opinion Mainline Mario games are the platformers and none of those you mentioned are platformers.

Ill add subgenres.  Do you know how many Mario karts there has been since 2000?

By the way Jay, you've put 19 Metal Gear Solid titles since 2000. I cannot for the life of me work out how you got that figure. So I'm presuming you just mean everything under the "Metal Gear" umbrella? (i.e. Did you count Metal Gear Ac!d as a MGS game? Did you count Metal Gear Rising as a MGS game?)

In which case, I think you might just need to cut the word "solid" out of your OP. Solid =/= Ac!d =/= Rising, but they do all fall under "Metal Gear".

pezus said: Mario - 85 since 2000. Jesus

The reason behind this is that anything titled with 'Mario' will be counted. If we actually think about what games he trully "starred" in, then it would be less.