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Given Microsoft's prior history and the company's worth, I find it reasonable.

It's reasonable for a small group of people to make mistakes.

It's not reasonable for a company of that size who has history trying to build monopolies even when against the law to make that mistake. The know of the decision and did not take it seriously. It could be just to test the waters and see if they can get away with it. EU has to state that it is not reasonable to test the waters like that.



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Somini said:
Funtime said:
Well, someone has to bail out the European economy since they can't seem to handle it themselves. Handing out massive fines to corporations that actually know how to handle money seems like a good way to get things back on track.

AMIRITE?


What the heck are you saying? The EU is trying to avoid becoming a second USA, where the debt has gotten so high people are born with 60k in debt already! Corporations and banks should receive way bigger fines than at the moment when they break the law.

I guess he would never realise what you are talking about.

In the USA people are used to bow down in front of huge corporations and admiring their destructive behaviour towards the economy by creating cartells or missusing monopols.They simply have no sense how dangerous this is.Monsanto is just now doing this with farmers what MS has done to softwarecompanies-destroying them without ever being punished by the goverment.And if they are at least punished like now,they simply pretend"was just a software" mistake and several people of that kind lenin once called"useful idiots"will stand up to defend them.

No matter wether the banks are laundering hundreds of billions of drug money(hsbc),missusing monopoles,manipulating the libor-no punishment at all in the USA as the goverment is completely corrupted by the big corporations.Research what happened when the US goverment tried to split up Microsoft into Windows and office.Some hundred Million dollars were given to the parties-result:no split required.

Being asked why there is no prosecution Genral Attorney Eric Holder attmitted five days ago:"they are too big to jail"

 

At the end of 2013 Obama would have doubled the debt of the USA within just 5 years.

This means he has made as many debts in half a decade as the USA has made in their entire previous history-and nothing from this money has reached the population.Where has it gone?They gave all the money to wall street to keep the dow up and the banks and to prevent the economy from collapsing by starting one QE after another-and he is talking about europe handling the debts instead of taking a closer look at the usa.



Although the fine seems mightly obscene to us normal peasants, I don't find it anywhere as unreasonable when it comes to just how big Microsoft is. Still, as a fellow peasant I am outraged at such a huge fine for such a small cock up.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I still don't see why MS should have to promote another companies browser for them. There's nothing stopping Google from creating their own desktop OS and making Chrome the default browser. There's also nothing that prevents anyone using Windows from installing and enjoying Chrome.

And if we're being totally fair, why isn't it mandatory for Android devices to have to offer the same choice for multiple browsers when you fire one up for the first time? Why is that people only feel that MS should have to do this? I own several Android devices, and an iPad and I don't remember ever being given choices for anything upon loading the device up for the first time.



It's too excessive for what it was, but I don't like Microsoft's business practice when it comes to IE, so I'm fine with it in the end.



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"Was Microsoft's EU fine too much? One economics professor says, "Yes""

That sounded like Ancient Aliens man.



Funtime said:
Well, someone has to bail out the European economy since they can't seem to handle it themselves. Handing out massive fines to corporations that actually know how to handle money seems like a good way to get things back on track.

AMIRITE?


Sarcasm?

OT: No ms fan here, but I finf the fine ridiculous.



pokoko said:
zumnupy10 said:
On Wednesday, the European Union's antitrust regulators in the European Commission fined Microsoft 561 million euros, or $732 million, due to Microsoft's violations of a 2009 anti-trust agreement with the EU. Microsoft admitted that a number of Windows 7-based PCs did not display the required web browser download ballot in Europe from 2011 to 2012, as required by the agreement with the EU. Microsoft said it was a software mistake and fixed it once it was discovered.

This requirement shouldn't exist to begin with.

I have no problem with it.  Microsoft still does their best to force people to use IE from time to time, even if some hate the thing.  It's not like you can delete it.  They'd make it completely required if they could get away with it.  I have little sympathy for fallout over Microsoft's business practices given their past history.  We've seen exactly WHY a browser monopoly is bad in the past with Internet Explorer, why people would want that again, I don't know.  Personally, I ignore IE, but from what I understand, they actually try to make it good now that they have competition and can't ignore convention.  The garbage that was IE6 screwed up the internet for a long, long time.  Anyone really want to return to that?

As for the fine, it does seem excessive.  However, Microsoft had a glitch that voided an important, highly publicized agreement and it went undiscovered for an entire year?  Uh huh, right.

I agree with you, but MS isn't making it imposible for anyone to install another browser from competitors.

MS is being fined for not promoting competitor's browsers ?   That's why I think this penalty is stupid.



zumnupy10 said:
pokoko said:

I have no problem with it.  Microsoft still does their best to force people to use IE from time to time, even if some hate the thing.  It's not like you can delete it.  They'd make it completely required if they could get away with it.  I have little sympathy for fallout over Microsoft's business practices given their past history.  We've seen exactly WHY a browser monopoly is bad in the past with Internet Explorer, why people would want that again, I don't know.  Personally, I ignore IE, but from what I understand, they actually try to make it good now that they have competition and can't ignore convention.  The garbage that was IE6 screwed up the internet for a long, long time.  Anyone really want to return to that?

As for the fine, it does seem excessive.  However, Microsoft had a glitch that voided an important, highly publicized agreement and it went undiscovered for an entire year?  Uh huh, right.

I agree with you, but MS isn't making it imposible for anyone to install another browser from competitors.

MS is being fined for not promoting competitor's browsers ?   That's why I think this penalty is stupid.

It's really a matter of practicality.  It's more about what's best than about what's right.  Most people will defend the idea of a monopoly from a philosophical standpoint but when the reality hits, when they start feeling all the negatives that come with a monopoly, they will often complain that "they shouldn't be allowed to do that".  I suppose it comes down to the idea of preventing monopolies or breaking them up after they've damaged the market.

Internet Explorer's monopoly of the browser market was bad, very bad.  I don't know that you'll find anyone who would dispute that.  Microsoft forced content developers to ignore accepted convention and to code for IE's way of doing things.  They ignored security problems and new innovations.  Then, bam, we have competition spring up and suddenly Internet Explorer is good.  That's not coincidence at all.

Really, Microsoft brought this on themselves by trying to use their OS monopoly, which no one can do anything about, to leverage a browser monopoly.  They did their absolute best to force people to use IE.  If they'd succeeded, Internet Explorer would probably STILL be garbage.

Should they have to do this?  Probably not.  Do I think it's for the best that Microsoft isn't being allowed to force a monopoly at will?  Absolutely.  People run into anti-monopoly laws everyday without even know it.  It's important for the consumer that they are there.  I can't have a problem with that.



Somini said:
Funtime said:
Well, someone has to bail out the European economy since they can't seem to handle it themselves. Handing out massive fines to corporations that actually know how to handle money seems like a good way to get things back on track.

AMIRITE?


What the heck are you saying? The EU is trying to avoid becoming a second USA, where the debt has gotten so high people are born with 60k in debt already! Corporations and banks should receive way bigger fines than at the moment when they break the law.

Well said. Look at UK, they now just basically USA#2...