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happydolphin said:
UnitSmiley said:
pokoko said:
Most people are fine, I think, it's just a few who like to push buttons, which in turn riles up more people. In geographical terms, the Playstation Kingdom shares natural borders with the two other territories, which means it's constantly fighting a two-sided battle. That means we must keep our wits about us!

I suppose you could say that the biggest troublemakers are those who are good at not getting banned while being able to provoke others. It's really a matter of not falling for it.

I think that's pretty true myself. I wonder what non PS fans think of that statement?

I think we all have our demons to fight and we should all better ourselves without pointing fingers. If I tried to explain why I thought Sony fans were at fault that would help noone and probably wouldn't even be true.


For sure we shouldn't point fingers. I just think Pokoko was right in saying Sony is more similar to Nintendo than Microsoft is, while at the same time being more similar to Microsoft than Nintendo is. I think that kind of relationship warrants some possible hate on both sides due Sony being seen as more of a direct competitor amongst fans from both Nintendo AND Microsoft.



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happydolphin said:
UnitSmiley said:
pokoko said:
Most people are fine, I think, it's just a few who like to push buttons, which in turn riles up more people. In geographical terms, the Playstation Kingdom shares natural borders with the two other territories, which means it's constantly fighting a two-sided battle. That means we must keep our wits about us!

I suppose you could say that the biggest troublemakers are those who are good at not getting banned while being able to provoke others. It's really a matter of not falling for it.

I think that's pretty true myself. I wonder what non PS fans think of that statement?

I think we all have our demons to fight and we should all better ourselves without pointing fingers. If I tried to explain why I thought Sony fans were at fault that would help noone and probably wouldn't even be true.

I didn't mean it as a way to assign blame or to say who is right or wrong but as a simple point of observation.  Sony is a natural rival of Nintendo for many, many reasons that go way back.  It's also a natural rival with Microsoft because their products are very much alike, target the same demographics, and share 95% of the same games.  On the other hand, the rivalry between Nintendo and Microsoft isn't nearly as direct.  In a lot of ways, Sony fans are forever caught in the middle and public enemy number one to a lot of rival fanboys.  That's just the way it is, in my opinion.



Think of the innocent bystanders, innocent posters are mentally molested daily because of the extreme unconventional support the three camps are getting. War is ugly.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

pokoko said:
happydolphin said:
UnitSmiley said:
pokoko said:
Most people are fine, I think, it's just a few who like to push buttons, which in turn riles up more people. In geographical terms, the Playstation Kingdom shares natural borders with the two other territories, which means it's constantly fighting a two-sided battle. That means we must keep our wits about us!

I suppose you could say that the biggest troublemakers are those who are good at not getting banned while being able to provoke others. It's really a matter of not falling for it.

I think that's pretty true myself. I wonder what non PS fans think of that statement?

I think we all have our demons to fight and we should all better ourselves without pointing fingers. If I tried to explain why I thought Sony fans were at fault that would help noone and probably wouldn't even be true.

I didn't mean it as a way to assign blame or to say who is right or wrong but as a simple point of observation.  Sony is a natural rival of Nintendo for many, many reasons that go way back.  It's also a natural rival with Microsoft because their products are very much alike, target the same demographics, and share 95% of the same games.  On the other hand, the rivalry between Nintendo and Microsoft isn't nearly as direct.  In a lot of ways, Sony fans are forever caught in the middle and public enemy number one to a lot of rival fanboys.  That's just the way it is, in my opinion.


Yes. Thank you for explaning it lol, I was trying to respond to Rol but I just couldn't word it correctly.



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Chandler said:
That's what happens when you allow people to build camps. With Playstation Nation, Nintendomination and Xbox Republic this forum is actively fostering console wars and as a result cross console conversations will be more heated.


Couldn't agree with you more.



pezus said:
kain_kusanagi said:
You talk about fans, but fans aren't the problem. Fans respect each other and don't get upset when fans aren't interested in what they like and vice versa. The problem are the people who act like fanboys. They don't like it when someone isn't into what they like and they hate it when someone is into something they hate. That's the kind of behavior that ruins the fun. Two fans can discuss a topic they disagree about. Throw in someone acting like a fanboy and it turns into a battle.

I used "fans" because that's what some people use too, like (and now I'm being frank here) Jaywood does


I think it's a distinction that should be noted. Everyone if a fan of something. Everyone is bias. Everyone likes one thing more than another and everyone is looking forward to different things. Fans don't mind at all if the people they talk with don't share their tastes. Fans still enjoy discussing a topic with people who disagree. What ruins the fun is when fanboys get involved and turn a discussion into an agreement. Fans can disagree, fanboys fight. Instead of natural bias based on taste they are driven by some kind of malice that doesn't allow them to be civil to those that don't share their opinion. If someone says something negative about their favorite stuff they take it extremely personally as if they were insulted direction.

The best thing for it would just be to ignore it, but the problem is that fanboys don't want to be ignored and they make themselves un-ignorable. They feel personally attacked by differing opinion so they attack with personal insults. They don't see a difference. To them it's the same and they can't be made to reason with. They hold to tightly to that which they either love or hate. And they do love and hate. They don't just enjoy a game, they love it and identify with and will not stand for criticism because saying anything negative about what they love is to insult them too.

I don't know how it can be fought other than with hard working mods and everyone else willing to use the report button. I  think some people feel like reporting bad behavior is like tattle-telling. I don't, but it's very possible that some people get away with more because nobody is reporting them while others get moderated thanks to the report button. I don't think everyone should hit the report button every time someone starts an argument, but it should probably be clicked more often than it has.



Console wars are serious business.

 



some people should start to post more about what they like instead of what they don't like when they talk about exclusive games or about consoles (at least those users who seem to dislike everything which doesn't have a specific company emblem on it). that alone would reduce probably 90% of the bans and i don't think many people would miss those posts, it's not as if they were ever important for any discussion.



UnitSmiley said:

Console wars are serious business.

 

That was awesome :)

No fair how the Playstation girl was in the spotlight though :P