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Aj_habfan said:
kain_kusanagi said:
UnitSmiley said:
I saw this yesterday. Personally I think he overreacted to it. I know i'm a GUY, but I really don't think that's anything to get worked up over.

Also, this is a trophy from the new Tomb Raider game.

"Widowmaker" (Lara Croft) - Killing 40 men.

That is not even remotely the same kind of thing. Most action games have kill count achievements. Killing is essential to the game and racking up a kill count is natural in all violent games.

Adam Sessler is 100% right. If the GOW games are supposed to be mature than the sex scenes have a purpose. The Trophy title reduces it to nothing more than a juvenile excuse for virtual T&A. There were those who once used GOW as an example of mature entertainment in gaming, but now it's clear that the devs did not intent it to be that. The only reason there is sex and nudity in GOW is because they know it tantalizes the same manchildren whom the gratuitous gore was made over the top for. Adam Sessler thought the series had depth, but it really just capitalizes on the sensational.

I'm not offending and I don't think Adam Sessler is either, but I agree with him that it's disappointing. They could have taken the high road. I don't think GOW should be 100% serious. There's room for humor. But this joke does the game no credit. It's not even funny enough to make up for objectifying women.

 

Gratutious gore and excessive nudity/sex, is that not what God of War is all about? Since when has this been a series championed to the public as "mature" entertainment? I mean, all I ever see is GIFS of Kratos doing gruesome, gory attacks on freakish monsters.

Anyway, lots of developers these days are trying to be smart with trophy titles, and it's almost always lame. This is just another one of many, not going to give it much more attention then that.

It's either all just an excuse for sex and violence or it means something. We are either meant to take it seriously or not. I see a lot of people take it seriously and talk about it as a meaningful piece of mature entertainment. Apparently the devs just wanted to splash blood on the screen and flash T&A. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just entertainament, but it does undermine everything that fans have taken seriously about the characters and plot.



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Time to burn all my man bras.



Too big a issue made out of a unimportant point. This is something that will be inconsequential to GOW fans, but will be made uselessly a big issue by franchise haters.



kain_kusanagi said:
UnitSmiley said:
I saw this yesterday. Personally I think he overreacted to it. I know i'm a GUY, but I really don't think that's anything to get worked up over.

Also, this is a trophy from the new Tomb Raider game.

"Widowmaker" (Lara Croft) - Killing 40 men.

That is not even remotely the same kind of thing. Most action games have kill count achievements. Killing is essential to the game and racking up a kill count is natural in all violent games.

Adam Sessler is 100% right. If the GOW games are supposed to be mature than the sex scenes have a purpose. The Trophy title reduces it to nothing more than a juvenile excuse for virtual T&A. There were those who once used GOW as an example of mature entertainment in gaming, but now it's clear that the devs did not intent it to be that. The only reason there is sex and nudity in GOW is because they know it tantalizes the same manchildren whom the gratuitous gore was made over the top for. Adam Sessler thought the series had depth, but it really just capitalizes on the sensational.

I'm not offending and I don't think Adam Sessler is either, but I agree with him that it's disappointing. They could have taken the high road. I don't think GOW should be 100% serious. There's room for humor. But this joke does the game no credit. It's not even funny enough to make up for objectifying women.

 

This doesn't fly.

Can you seriously say with a straight face that the sex minigames is GOW 1-3 were relevant to the story? That they added something to the depth of the character? There never was a high road option with GOW about sex; the very fact of how they were depicted and made interactive clearly tagged them a tongue-in-cheek diversion.

That Kratos would treat women and goddesses as objects for the satisfaction of his impulses doesn't surprise; he does so with men, titans and gods, dismembering and maiming for vengeance and anger. In several occasions he sacrifices innocent bystanders just to open a door.

What makes those minigames tongue-in-cheek side morsels is actually the fact that the sex is not shown: the camera moves to show onlooking nymphs or bouncing household items nearby the bed. Suggesting sounds and QTE sequences go by, and the player is basically told "we'll show you everything about ripping off eyes and eviscerating creatures, but not the sex. Because this is a videogame made under certain cultural assumptions and american culture has different thresholds for sex and violence. Yep, only a game. Look at some tits, press those buttons,  see a fade to fireplace. The realt meat of the story is elsewhere".

It was always a fourth wall breaking joke between the authors and the player, never about the character. Contrast: clumsy as they were, the sex scenes in Indigo Prophecy were more graphic and less titillating, because they were about the intimacy and failures to communicate  between the characters. They were also bretty bad, but still an example of sex that honestly did not shy from trying to be integral to the plot.

A game aiming for a mature audience means that it respects the maturity and intelligence of the players. That it can communicate with them on levels that would go over the head of a kid. Sometimes GOW does that, especially the first one, when it talks of desperation and regret. But the treatment of sex and violence in the series was always, explicitily and willingly low brow.



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Found this on Twitter from Todd Papy (Santa Monica Game Director)

Todd Pappy: @jvdarula @adamsessler @sonysantamonica Yep it is a trophy. In fact one of our female producers came up with it. Right or Wrong...



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This is the definition of blowing something out of proportion. Absolutely ridiculous.





UnitSmiley said:
Found this on Twitter from Todd Papy (Santa Monica Game Director)

Todd Pappy: @jvdarula @adamsessler @sonysantamonica Yep it is a trophy. In fact one of our female producers came up with it. Right or Wrong...

Nope, just wrong. Just because a woman thought it up does not make it OK. SSM should patch this trophy and call it something else. The genesis of the phrase is deeply sexist, borderline mysogynistic. It's use has no place in such an out of context useage. Like the N word the phrase can be used in the right context in entertainment (e.g. the prolific use of the N word in Django unchained was contextually appropriate), but this isn't one of those contexts when it's OK to use to use that phrase.

People have got to use the Fox News test on these things. If on Fox and Friends the topic of the cultural awfulness of video games is brought up, and one person says, "yeah there's this video game that gives gamers a reward called 'bros before hos', how sexist is that? What is the video game industry teaching our young males?" There's no way you can contextualise it to even explain it away, which that tweet amply demonstrates "Oh it's OK-ish because a woman thought it up", pathetic. So score 1 for the anti-video game "moral majority". And on this criticism they would be largely right with their condemnation.

But in addition, Sessler noting it specifically as a reason for marking the game down because it exploded the illusion of the game having some sort of gravitas is pretty lame. I like the 5 game's story up to Ascension, and Kratos has more nuance and self awareness to his character than people who only see clips of the game think. But it's really not deep and meaningful.



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There´s a brutal scene in God of War 3 where Kratos kills a Poseidon princess (the woman was completely innocent) and I don´t remember any outrage over that, now a simple trophy title does it.

I understand why one might get upset, but I still think it´s an overreaction, and I´d be curious to see if there would be any complaints if 'the tables were reversed'.



binary solo said:
UnitSmiley said:
Found this on Twitter from Todd Papy (Santa Monica Game Director)

Todd Pappy: @jvdarula @adamsessler @sonysantamonica Yep it is a trophy. In fact one of our female producers came up with it. Right or Wrong...

Nope, just wrong. Just because a woman thought it up does not make it OK. SSM should patch this trophy and call it something else. The genesis of the phrase is deeply sexist, borderline mysogynistic. It's use has no place in such an out of context useage. Like the N word the phrase can be used in the right context in entertainment (e.g. the prolific use of the N word in Django unchained was contextually appropriate), but this isn't one of those contexts when it's OK to use to use that phrase.

People have got to use the Fox News test on these things. If on Fox and Friends the topic of the cultural awfulness of video games is brought up, and one person says, "yeah there's this video game that gives gamers a reward called 'bros before hos', how sexist is that? What is the video game industry teaching our young males?" There's no way you can contextualise it to even explain it away, which that tweet amply demonstrates "Oh it's OK-ish because a woman thought it up", pathetic. So score 1 for the anti-video game "moral majority". And on this criticism they would be largely right with their condemnation.

But in addition, Sessler noting it specifically as a reason for marking the game down because it exploded the illusion of the game having some sort of gravitas is pretty lame. I like the 5 game's story up to Ascension, and Kratos has more nuance and self awareness to his character than people who only see clips of the game think. But it's really not deep and meaningful.

I don't know dude, to me it seems like he was just overreacting to it. He said it ruined the game for him? That's a bit harsh.

and seriously, game haters have 824294209 other things they could nitpick if they wanted to insult videogames, why is God of War suddenly the poster child for "sexism"? Not to mention how other forms of media have portrayed women or violence. You can't cater to those kinds of people because they are insistant on hating video games no matter what, nothing will change their minds. 

 

Also, Sessler sure didn't mind doing this video.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFLLg8cFB8 (NSFW)