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I really don't see the point of keeping some of the older people alive. The ones who have lost most of their minds and motor functions. I couldn't bear to live to 90 where I didn't have the mental capacity to do anything I enjoy like playing video games or sports. I'd rather be dead since I pretty much would be on the inside. If I ever end up in a nursing home I swear I'm gonna try to overdose on some pills.

I'm not saying everyone over 90 should die. My grandfather is 83 doesn't have any serious life complications and he's still has his business as a carpenter. People still come to him to either ask for advice or help on something they're building. He still sharp and should not be offed. My grandmother on the other hand has diabetes and cancer which the treatment is bleeding my parents dry. Every other month it seems like something in her is failing and needs treatment. I've had to send money over to help with her treatment costs. I would never want to be a burden on my children like that.



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Colonize the moon. Limit 2 children to each person. Their are many things than to let people die. In the near future people will start living 100 of years and after that may even become immortal besides freak accidents. however we do need to start taking care of our home. We need to look at the whole world as if it was our house and we would not allow a car to be spewing all sorts of fumes in our house. So Education and advancement will solve this problem. We need to invest in our children and science and technology.



Dodece said:
I think yes we probably ought to let people die, and we probably should start encouraging self termination. We as a society globally speaking need to undergo a serious culture shift when it comes to the subject of dieing. Being afraid of death is no kind of justification for engaging in what amounts to anti social behavior. People at the end of their lives are entitled to a retirement, but not an unreasonable one.

When any segment is depleting the public coffers to such an extent as to seriously deprive other segments, or as a matter of coarse is placing a severe burden on other segments. It is fundamentally a unfair act on their part. The act of maintaining a poor quality of life. At the expense of creating a host more good ones. Is simply a perverse act. If an obscene amount of money is being spent to extend the life of a person by just a couple years. The real consequence is that younger generations will end up having their life spans decreased.

If a senior citizen on public assistance ends up costing the state fifty thousand dollars a year. That money would have the following benefit if it was otherwise spent. That money could feed, cloth, educate, and provide medical care for twenty five young children. Most of the world is fast approaching a point where that is going to be the choice at hand, and either we will continue as we have to our ultimate ruin, or we are going to have to go through a culture shift.

Where we stop looking at death as something to be delayed at all costs. To something we just have to accept as a part of how we plan out our lives. I think younger generations are going to learn something from their elders. They are going to learn that life needs to end with some very real dignity. I certainly don't intend to drag shit out as I get near the end of my life. When it becomes clear that I stand to become a real burden on others. I fully intend to do the right thing. To me it is morally wrong to force others to suffer for my own selfish purposes.

It isn't just the suffering of society as a whole for that matter either. When the severely aged cling to life no matter what. They drag their family and friends along for the ride. People who whether they are asked to do it or not. Will start making serious sacrifices to tend to the needs of those they care about. No matter how fruitless that effort is ultimately. I really don't understand why some people do this to their families. I think we need to get rid of this whole taboo about suicide. It most certainly isn't wrong if it is being done for the right reasons.


This is horrible. Sorry but I read the top and hat to comment. We in the next 50-100 years will most likely be able to clone or rebuild our bodies, almost making us immortal. The solution is not kill people off. The solution is out in space. The moon and many worlds we can move to. So scientific advancement and if we don't get to advance fast enough. Limit the amount of children people should have. 2 for each person to replace the mom and dad.

I plan in the next 30 years to have a  3d printer rebuild my organs and the many technologies your are completely clueless about. They already started this. So your view is very old and out of date.

Start reading science magazines or the science channel. The tech is their and around the corner. They already 3d printed a mouse's heart valve and put it in and it worked. Cell by cell they did so. Being shallow is not the way to move foward. Never giving up is the way to move foward.



With the advancement of medical technology the average lifespan will increase, yes. But this also means that people will be able to be productive longer than the current average. 200 years ago the average male died in his mid-fifties, but now people not only live much longer than that, but they also are able to work productively into their mid sixties. There needs to be less people though. 1-2 child max.



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No. 'Cos by then, we'll have robots to take care of the needs of all those old people, and take over their jobs and whatnot. A lot of younger, more capable and able-bodied humans will probably become obsolete because of this as well, come to think of it.



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Roma said:

humans will never be able to prolong life into the hundreds of years. imagine if people only died of normal old age and nothing ells like wars, diseases, disasters or accidents. humans would most likely have been extinct by now

I mentioned this in one of the threads about religion but I'm not going into religion and I don't think anybody wants that either

and no we should not let people die when we can save them as that would be immoral we should also help old ladies (old people) on the buss if they need to sit for example


WRONG!!!. You have not been paying attention to technology.

 


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Sit in awe as I tear your analysis apart. Despite what any futurist tells you this or that isn't really around the corner. If they were always right we would have flying cars, lunar colonies, and have built undersea utopias by this point. None of it has happened, because futurists aren't really problem solvers. They are dreamers with lofty goals, and their sales pitch is always a over simplification of the inherent problems. They make incredibly fucking hard, sometimes nearly impossible things sound like it is so easy that a child could pull it off.

Colonizing space is a colossal challenge, and don't let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise. We know the effects that being weightless has on the human body. It is pretty catastrophic to be honest, and that is on supremely healthy adults. So what if there is a similar problem with living in low gravity environments say a sixth or a third of the standard gravity on the surface of the Earth. Lower gravities may be a physical limit that we are physiologically incapable of overcoming.

You could argue for genetic manipulation, and setting aside how difficult that is to do right now. You are talking about a plain massive investment in drudgery. A lot of trial and error would be called for, because nature wouldn't offer us up any shortcuts in the matter. There aren't a bunch of low gravity genomes for us to test out. We would need to create the genes from scratch, and have to test them out through trial and error. Technically speaking we are infants as far as genetic manipulation is concerned.

Then you have the real problem with the proposed colonization sites such as Luna and Mars. Yes our moon actually has a name. They are bathed in massive amounts of radiation. Which would be positively lethal to human beings. It isn't even a question of manageable doses. Short excursions to these places are one thing, but actually living there could give us so many wonderful things like pandemic cancer, sterility, and a host of diseases that come to those that have a weakened immune system.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you knew that lunar colonies would have to be subterranean in nature, but Mars would pretty much be the same thing. Even if we could thicken up the atmosphere, and liberate the planets reserves of water. The planet has no real magnetic field to speak of, and that is not only why the planets atmosphere is probably so thin. It also means that you would get massive doses of radiation every time you took a trip outside of the bunker.

There have been no reasonable plans presented to deal with this problem. Nobody has any idea how to rekindle the nuclear furnace that fuels a planets magnetic field, and without that we don't have much of a chance of populating the planet with life. Any plants or animals we would seed on the surface would die in short order even if it was warm enough, and water was plentiful. Not to mention we have no idea what that kind of tampering would cause. We know that putting more carbon up into our atmosphere heats our planet up, but what happens if you put a lot of carbon into a atmosphere bathed in that kind of a radiological environment.

Okay I bet you probably want to turn to Venus now. Don't even bother thinking about it, because the planet makes Mars, or even the Moon look like a cake walk. Even if you could thin out the atmosphere. Make it breathable, and transplant a just plain absurd amount of water to the planet. You still don't have a magnetic field, you get a even heavier dose of radiation, and the planet rotates backwards at a snails pace. One side of the planet would still get rather hot. While the other side of the planet would get incredibly cold.

That could result in the atmosphere freezing out on the dark side, or it could cause the planet to have hypersonic winds. It might be a huge blessing for wind farmers, but not for anything you might want to seed on the surface. Further more the planets geology is somewhat suspect. It doesn't follow a plate tectonic model like the Earth. So introducing liquid water into the equation could result in a hellish chain reaction. Like putting your finger over the lip of a soda bottle and violently shaking the contents. Some models even postulate that the planet goes through periodic full surface repaving. Which is may be one reason why the planets surface seems to be so much younger then the planet itself.

Like I said a lot of futurists and scientists typically overstate their case in a attempt to popularize their ideas, or to acquire a source of funding. It goes beyond just that though. If print or television gave you the whole story about how incredibly hard it would be to do these things. They wouldn't have much of a audience. Talking about making says Mars habitable for human beings is far more sexy. Then basically saying don't hold your breath it is going to take hundreds or even thousands of years for us to pull it off.

If none of that has put you off then this most assuredly should. Rocketry is the least efficient means to move a object from one location to the other. Your average car is millions of times more efficient, but as of now it is the only technology we have to get into orbit, and there is absolutely no replacement even in the theoretical stages, and for the love of common sense don't throw Ion propulsion at me. Even the strongest Ion engine couldn't blow a piece of paper off of a table. You ain't getting off this planet with that tech. From high Earth orbit to the nearest star maybe.

Frankly I think you owe me an apology. I probably know more about the science involved in both the field of space exploration, and the fields of medical research then you yourself know. I could continue to tear apart your argument further, and I could probably do so in book form, but I think you have probably had enough. Seriously never just assume that someone else is just plain ignorant. That is a quick way to get yourself shamed.



The growth rate has been slowing down, and it still is. It's estimated that our carrying capacity is around 12 billion, and it the population will stabilize a little under that.



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