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Dmick90 on 01 March 2013
UnitSmiley said:
Dmick90 said:
platformmaster918 said:
Dmick90 said:

 

"They wanted to not let ms have a head start this time." Exactly, when Sony heard that MS was launching the 720 soon, they didn't want to be left behind again, so they reveal the PS4 out of desperation to try to rehash the Sony of yore. Sony is like the lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention.

Of course Sony doesn't want to give Microsoft a head start again. They gave Microsoft a year headstart this gen (not to mention the massive pricetag) and have been playing catch up since. It would be the excact same thing if Microsoft let Sony have a free year on the market.

You are living in delusions if you think the Playstation brand is or should be forgotten. It's still a powerful force in the industry. Nobody here said anything about Sony doing no wrong, most Playstation fans know the PS3 had a really bad launch and was handled pretty poorly at the beginning. The PS4 has been in development for about 5 years now. It's likely both Sony and Microsoft are near the end of development and nothing said or announced this far along can be seen as a move of desperation.

I like how you say "it's competition" then call Sony a "lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention". It's apparent you'd like to see Sony out of the hardware business. Think of how much the competition would suffer if Sony disappeared. What does "rehash the Sony of yore" mean? You mean selling the most consoles ASWELL as having a large library of games? Uhm yeah, isn't that every console makers wish? It certainly should be.

The hate in you is powerful indeed.

But what about the 10 year life cycle Sony has been touting? Just recently Sony said they wouldn't launch a PS4 until consumers demanded it, you remember? Consumers haven't demanded because Google search results clearly show Xbox 720 winning. It's a desperate attempt to win over gamers hearts but gamers hearts are with Xbox now.

Rehash the Sony of yore means they're trying to bring back the good old days of the PS1 and PS2 when Sony was still relevant.



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UnitSmiley on 01 March 2013
Dmick90 said:
UnitSmiley said:
Dmick90 said:
platformmaster918 said:
Dmick90 said:

 

"They wanted to not let ms have a head start this time." Exactly, when Sony heard that MS was launching the 720 soon, they didn't want to be left behind again, so they reveal the PS4 out of desperation to try to rehash the Sony of yore. Sony is like the lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention.

Of course Sony doesn't want to give Microsoft a head start again. They gave Microsoft a year headstart this gen (not to mention the massive pricetag) and have been playing catch up since. It would be the excact same thing if Microsoft let Sony have a free year on the market.

You are living in delusions if you think the Playstation brand is or should be forgotten. It's still a powerful force in the industry. Nobody here said anything about Sony doing no wrong, most Playstation fans know the PS3 had a really bad launch and was handled pretty poorly at the beginning. The PS4 has been in development for about 5 years now. It's likely both Sony and Microsoft are near the end of development and nothing said or announced this far along can be seen as a move of desperation.

I like how you say "it's competition" then call Sony a "lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention". It's apparent you'd like to see Sony out of the hardware business. Think of how much the competition would suffer if Sony disappeared. What does "rehash the Sony of yore" mean? You mean selling the most consoles ASWELL as having a large library of games? Uhm yeah, isn't that every console makers wish? It certainly should be.

The hate in you is powerful indeed.

But what about the 10 year life cycle Sony has been touting? Just recently Sony said they wouldn't launch a PS4 until consumers demanded it, you remember? Consumers haven't demanded because Google search results clearly show Xbox 720 winning. It's a desperate attempt to win over gamers hearts but gamers hearts are with Xbox now.

Rehash the Sony of yore means they're trying to bring back the good old days of the PS1 and PS2 when Sony was still relevant.

What does the 10 year life cycle have to do with anything? It's been 7 years since the PS3 launched. PS2 launched in 2000 and up until the end of last year they had still been manufactured. Releasing a new console doesn't mean the previous one all of a sudden stops. Not that it has anything to do with what we are talking about.

Google trends is not the authority in anything, but okay here.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=PS3%2C%20Xbox%20360&cmpt=q

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=PS4%2C%20Xbox%20720&cmpt=q

You also can't say "gamers hearts are with Xbox now". When 90% of the world prefers the PS3. NA, due to the US, is where the 360 does really well.

Sony IS still relevant and you claiming it isn't doesn't change that fact.



walsufnir on 01 March 2013
MoHasanie said:
Dmick90 said:
If Sega were making the PS3 in the early years, they wouldn't have survived. 

I think it should be mentioned, that if the PS4 makes as big loses for Sony as the PS3 did, then Sony will most certainly leave the gaming industry. 


I doubt it. Sony has Gaikai and they could easily make a client-app for WiiU, NextBox, Xbox360, Wii, Ouya... If they only make money with software, that's the way to go if PS4 fails.



platformmaster918 on 01 March 2013
UnitSmiley said:
Dmick90 said:
platformmaster918 said:
Dmick90 said:
That article is definitely biased, the PS3 is still losing to Microsoft and Nintendo in worldwide sales. There aren't official numbers for units sold yet. Don't understand why people are touting Sony's 77 million consoles shipped number, that's SHIPPED not sold! Microsoft still has a huge lead in software sales, and whoever leads in software is winning in hardware. Sony didn't force anybody to do anything, but they did influence Nintendo and Microsoft in some ways. Just like Nintendo and Microsoft influenced Sony, it's called competition. These kind of articles aggravate me because people act like Sony can do no wrong. The PS3 almost bankrupted Sony and the PS4 unveiling just seemed like a desperate attempt for Sony to try to stay relevant, people have moved on... Sony is not as strong a brand that it once was, and people need to get real.


How was the ps4 reveal desperate?  It's called introducing your next console and they wanted to not let ms have a head start this time.  They showed games and detailed specs just like at e3 2005 only with more games.

"They wanted to not let ms have a head start this time." Exactly, when Sony heard that MS was launching the 720 soon, they didn't want to be left behind again, so they reveal the PS4 out of desperation to try to rehash the Sony of yore. Sony is like the lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention.

Of course Sony doesn't want to give Microsoft a head start again. They gave Microsoft a year headstart this gen (not to mention the massive pricetag) and have been playing catch up since. It would be the excact same thing if Microsoft let Sony have a free year on the market.

You are living in delusions if you think the Playstation brand is or should be forgotten. It's still a powerful force in the industry. Nobody here said anything about Sony doing no wrong, most Playstation fans know the PS3 had a really bad launch and was handled pretty poorly at the beginning. The PS4 has been in development for about 5 years now. It's likely both Sony and Microsoft are near the end of development and nothing said or announced this far along can be seen as a move of desperation.

I like how you say "it's competition" then call Sony a "lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention". It's apparent you'd like to see Sony out of the hardware business. Think of how much the competition would suffer if Sony disappeared. What does "rehash the Sony of yore" mean? You mean selling the most consoles ASWELL as having a large library of games? Uhm yeah, isn't that every console makers wish? It certainly should be.

The hate in you is powerful indeed.


I think its a testament to how strong their brand is because yes they were arrogant, had TERRIBLE MARKETING (still not too good but hopefully the new team changes that), no system sellers, a HORRDENDOUSLY high price tag, and were a year late.  You know what that resulted in?  What will be over 90 million consoles sold this gen.  That demonstrates a power that neither of the other 2 has.  If they eliminate just a couple of those errors they should have another huge system on their hands (which compared to other manufacturers the ps3 would be).  If Nintendo or Microsoft made the price, games, and late errors they had at the beginning of this gen they would not have sold 70 million consoles by now.  That is the true test of a brand.  You do everything to keep yourself from succeeding and still find success.  That being said let's hope for a $400 system lol




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UnitSmiley on 01 March 2013
platformmaster918 said:
UnitSmiley said:
Dmick90 said:
platformmaster918 said:
Dmick90 said:
That article is definitely biased, the PS3 is still losing to Microsoft and Nintendo in worldwide sales. There aren't official numbers for units sold yet. Don't understand why people are touting Sony's 77 million consoles shipped number, that's SHIPPED not sold! Microsoft still has a huge lead in software sales, and whoever leads in software is winning in hardware. Sony didn't force anybody to do anything, but they did influence Nintendo and Microsoft in some ways. Just like Nintendo and Microsoft influenced Sony, it's called competition. These kind of articles aggravate me because people act like Sony can do no wrong. The PS3 almost bankrupted Sony and the PS4 unveiling just seemed like a desperate attempt for Sony to try to stay relevant, people have moved on... Sony is not as strong a brand that it once was, and people need to get real.


How was the ps4 reveal desperate?  It's called introducing your next console and they wanted to not let ms have a head start this time.  They showed games and detailed specs just like at e3 2005 only with more games.

"They wanted to not let ms have a head start this time." Exactly, when Sony heard that MS was launching the 720 soon, they didn't want to be left behind again, so they reveal the PS4 out of desperation to try to rehash the Sony of yore. Sony is like the lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention.

Of course Sony doesn't want to give Microsoft a head start again. They gave Microsoft a year headstart this gen (not to mention the massive pricetag) and have been playing catch up since. It would be the excact same thing if Microsoft let Sony have a free year on the market.

You are living in delusions if you think the Playstation brand is or should be forgotten. It's still a powerful force in the industry. Nobody here said anything about Sony doing no wrong, most Playstation fans know the PS3 had a really bad launch and was handled pretty poorly at the beginning. The PS4 has been in development for about 5 years now. It's likely both Sony and Microsoft are near the end of development and nothing said or announced this far along can be seen as a move of desperation.

I like how you say "it's competition" then call Sony a "lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention". It's apparent you'd like to see Sony out of the hardware business. Think of how much the competition would suffer if Sony disappeared. What does "rehash the Sony of yore" mean? You mean selling the most consoles ASWELL as having a large library of games? Uhm yeah, isn't that every console makers wish? It certainly should be.

The hate in you is powerful indeed.


I think its a testament to how strong their brand is because yes they were arrogant, had TERRIBLE MARKETING (still not too good but hopefully the new team changes that), no system sellers, a HORRDENDOUSLY high price tag, and were a year late.  You know what that resulted in?  What will be over 90 million consoles sold this gen.  That demonstrates a power that neither of the other 2 has.  If they eliminate just a couple of those errors they should have another huge system on their hands (which compared to other manufacturers the ps3 would be).  If Nintendo or Microsoft made the price, games, and late errors they had at the beginning of this gen they would not have sold 70 million consoles by now.  That is the true test of a brand.  You do everything to keep yourself from succeeding and still find success.  That being said let's hope for a $400 system lol

I'm just glad Sony seems to have learned from those mistakes. Their conference as well as the attitude of the PS4 seems a lot more humble, and in essense they admitted to having made mistakes with the cell, which lead to difficulty for developers. I think this gen has knocked that arrogance out of them haha.

Hopefully we will see a much wiser, and more aggressive Sony this upcomming gen. That price would also be lovely :D Though, i'm expecting it to be a tad bit pricier. Just gotta wait and see!



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naruball on 01 March 2013
MoHasanie said:
Dmick90 said:
If Sega were making the PS3 in the early years, they wouldn't have survived. 

I think it should be mentioned, that if the PS4 makes as big loses for Sony as the PS3 did, then Sony will most certainly leave the hardware gaming industry. 


Fixed.



DanneSandin on 01 March 2013
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
SangheliZealotX said:
That article reeks of Sony bias, the 360 is after pretty much the exact same market as the ps3 and is still ahead of it in sales despite sony's massive ps2 brand recognition and free online, calling Sony invincible in the core market is insanely wrong and as for Sony "forcing" ms into motion controls, what about Sony themselves with the move?

 

^Nailed it.

 

Everybody forces each other to change. Sony deserve no extra credit, nor does anyone else.

I just have to concur with these two. That was more of a Sony celebration than an objective view of gaming history... fail.



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fordy on 01 March 2013

"Nintendo’s Gamecube slid further behind with barely 22 million units sold worldwide.  Microsoft sold some 24 million units of their first console, the Xbox, which is more than Nintendo did with the Gamecube."



Maris on 01 March 2013

If I had a dollar for every gen this type of article came up, I'd have 4 dollars.



veritaz on 01 March 2013
Dmick90 said:
platformmaster918 said:
Dmick90 said:
That article is definitely biased, the PS3 is still losing to Microsoft and Nintendo in worldwide sales. There aren't official numbers for units sold yet. Don't understand why people are touting Sony's 77 million consoles shipped number, that's SHIPPED not sold! Microsoft still has a huge lead in software sales, and whoever leads in software is winning in hardware. Sony didn't force anybody to do anything, but they did influence Nintendo and Microsoft in some ways. Just like Nintendo and Microsoft influenced Sony, it's called competition. These kind of articles aggravate me because people act like Sony can do no wrong. The PS3 almost bankrupted Sony and the PS4 unveiling just seemed like a desperate attempt for Sony to try to stay relevant, people have moved on... Sony is not as strong a brand that it once was, and people need to get real.


How was the ps4 reveal desperate?  It's called introducing your next console and they wanted to not let ms have a head start this time.  They showed games and detailed specs just like at e3 2005 only with more games.

"They wanted to not let ms have a head start this time." Exactly, when Sony heard that MS was launching the 720 soon, they didn't want to be left behind again, so they reveal the PS4 out of desperation to try to rehash the Sony of yore. Sony is like the lonely forgotten child that's flailing his arms and yearns for attention.

Actually that sounds like MS with all those kinect demonstrations with idiots flailing their arms around. Seriously though, the Playstation brand still destroys xbox in that it could outsell them with a year more on the market with originally double the price. How you can say they yearn for attention when they already get more makes no sense.