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TripleMMM said:
Blimey, Rol made a good counter-points on how Rich said about his arguments (I noticed them too, but really didn't tear him down on them), he may have good arguments on Nintendo's way to make a comeback (and in the past), but the ones he choose was really not a solid one at that.

I guess Danne and I really are too soft on most gamers these days... XD

we must be ^^



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Cripes, I forgot to mention that calling him a fanboy is a bit of stretch, I have to admit that.
He does have an extreme nostalgia for Nintendo games, but I do not see any sort of fanboy on him, infact I see the complete opposite. And I can tell, I was a fanboy before... :D



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I would have taken more interest in Wii U if Zelda had been a launch title, but the price for the hardware was too high anyway so like Rol said, switching or adding one top franchise for another, really wouldn't have been that effective.



RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

In what way would this make him a fan boy? I don't really see how this would make him a fan boy... A Nintendo fan boy? Is that what you're talking about?

And I really do agree that making a new GC wouldn't be a smart move, but we gotta remember that Wii U is no Wii either. And I do think the system would have sold better if it had launched with a Zelda title instead of NSMBU.

Yes, a Nintendo fanboy. One of the sort who thinks that series like 3D Mario and Zelda were held back by PlayStation dominance and that if Nintendo keeps pushing those games, then they will eventually be Nintendo's topsellers.

Zelda instead of NSMBU wouldn't have made a difference. The Wii U was always poised to fail, because of the system itself. And the cause isn't processing power, it's Nintendo's terrible message that runs contrary to what they preached only a few years earlier.

so, like some sort of hardcore gaming fan boy then? Wanting them to abandon the casuals and keep on rolling out N64/GC?

What did they preach? Something like gaming should be for everybody or something? Because I can get behind that somewhat; the Wiimotes were the best thing since analog sticks.



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Is he talking about this generation? The one that has just started?



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@Rolstoppable
He disregarded Wii Sports, you say? Okay, point taken... But I would still insist that the word fanboy is too extreme and he's not remotely in that ballpark.



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RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

so, like some sort of hardcore gaming fan boy then? Wanting them to abandon the casuals and keep on rolling out N64/GC?

What did they preach? Something like gaming should be for everybody or something? Because I can get behind that somewhat; the Wiimotes were the best thing since analog sticks.

Yes, kinda like that. Only that the expectation is of course that this hardcore Nintendo is much more successful than during the N64/GC days.

One of the core messages for the Wii was that controllers got too complicated and thus the barrier to entry became too high. Many people wouldn't even try to play video games. That's why Nintendo introduced a simple controller that didn't look intimidating to create a new starting line for gaming. The market response was strong, because if gaming was truly for everyone, then naturally more people would be interested in a system than if you declared it an exclusive hobby.

When Nintendo unveiled the Wii U in 2011, they went on stage and told people to forget about the Wii. They presented a traditional controller with a touchscreen on it (something that was rumored to be the Wii's controller before Nintendo showed the Wiimote). Nintendo went back in time to the pre-Wii days. They also made it a point to appease the hardcore gamer, because Nintendo thought they left them out with the Wii. Reggie said something along the lines of: "Wii" meant "we", but there should also be a place for you, the hardcore gamer. That's why we are putting "you" in the name of our new console, the Wii U.

It was a horrible speech all around and a slap in the face for all people who liked the Wii. A few token games don't change the underlying message of a console, so even though Nintendo would have liked for people to believe that the Wii U was a true Wii successor, it really isn't.

Yeah, I can only agree with what you said here. The only chance for Nintendo to become a hardcore console would be to get all the multiplat, which means more powerful HW, which means more costs, which means losing money...

But considering the success of the Wii and the acceptability of Kinect, isn't there a possibility that 720 will be selling gangbusters?

Wii U ain't no Wii 2...



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@Rol: I bet you'll love ActiveGamerLife's podcast, atleast he's pretty accurate with his facts... His latest podcast actually parallels with your wordings! :)



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RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

Yeah, I can only agree with what you said here. The only chance for Nintendo to become a hardcore console would be to get all the multiplat, which means more powerful HW, which means more costs, which means losing money...

But considering the success of the Wii and the acceptability of Kinect, isn't there a possibility that 720 will be selling gangbusters?

Wii U ain't no Wii 2...

There's no chance for Nintendo to make a sustainable hardcore console. More powerful hardware will lead to a high price (even when sold at a loss) and the ensuing lack of sales will result in third parties abandoning the platform. Nintendo will always be screwed if they attempt such a direction.

Kinect has fizzled out despite Microsoft trying to support it. There's not much real interest in Kinect on its own, because controller-less gaming is greatly limited in versatility. I don't expect an improved version of Kinect to drive hardware sales because of this. A more extreme example would be THQ's uDraw. It was a hit for one holiday season, but once consumers became aware of its limitations, it died a quick death. Kinect has at least a couple of genres going for it, but I don't think it's enough to make people buy a new console. Similarly, Wii Fit U and Wii Sports 3 alone won't make the Wii U successful. But to Nintendo's benefit, the Wii U is capable of much more than that (just like the Wii was).

Additionally, Microsoft needs to come up with a plan to really sell in mainland Europe and Japan, if they ever want to achieve huge sales. Their Xbox brand is a double-edged sword. It's beneficial in the USA and the UK, but detrimental pretty much everywhere else.

Why would a "hard core" Nintendo system sell less? Is it because people expect a certain price point on Nintendo systems? And why wouldn't a Nintendo console that was on par with its competition get less 3rd party support? Because 3rd party games sell less on Nintendo systems? I know that a great deal of Wii owners also has a PS360 just for the 3rd parties, so it wouldn't make any sense to NOT put games on a Nintendo console if it was capable. (And let's not drag in the 6th gen into this; back then exclusivity were much more common)

Fundamentally I agrre that Kinect2 probably won't drive much sale - unless they greatly improve it, and not simply make it more sensitive.

What do you think MS needs to do to drive sales in EU then? I think we can forget them ever being big in Japan. And what does Nintendo have to do to sell well in EU and US?



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DanneSandin said:
TripleMMM said:
ReviewTechUSA, I just watched this vid about an hour ago! lol

Yes, to me, Nintendo really did dropped the ball, for now...

I usually find his vids quite insightful :P seems like he knows his stuff

Good to see that I'm not the only one watching his videos.