No service should be asking you money for allowing you to play online. The pay for online model has existed on PC only, before Microsoft came alnog with Xbox. A lot of people do pay to play online, but there are a lot more who don't like to pay. Console gamers are just trying to avoid this PC practice from becoming 'normal' on consoles.

Unless you're an employee at one of those companies, i don't understand why there are people who are trying to make this happen on consoles as well!

Nice thread. Clever :)

I'm talking about a general hypocrisy not a specific one. You don't have to play MMO's to make the same arguement as XBL Gold. It's nothing more than an entry fee. The only difference is MMO players pay tripple what XBL Gold costs for just one game.

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I don't think people should insult Xbox fans over this, and it doesn't really have anything to do with the fans of the other consoles. But I would think it should be something that all Xbox owners should be concerned about. I mean now that PS3 has caught up, I don't see enough value in Xbox Live and show this by not paying for it. If they want to keep charging, I think they should add value rather than punish loyalty.

I'm pretty sure it's only hypocrisy if you actually find people who play subscription-based MMOs who then refuse to pay XBL fees on principle. I've never come across someone that fits those criteria, myself, so I'm wondering why you're having a rant at them.

And as a side note, you can effectively play Eve Online for free by using in-game resources to pay for the sub fee, it's quite clever.

Hey. I personly would rther not pay anything to play games. I wish I could have the cake and eat it too. But I pay entry fees for games just like I do if I want to see a concert. I could listen to music on the radio for free, but if I want to see it live I accept that it will cost me. I'd love to play Halo 4 online for free, but I'm not going to deny myself fun for a measly 4 bucks a month. I spend more on soda ever month.

MMO's are between the company and the gamers. As long as they dont lock down all of the PC community, then its fine. All gamers play the same entry fee just for basic online on Xbox Live. Microsoft slips you the bill for what third parties should be paying for themselves. Thats how they've endeared themselves to third party. If they keep making deals with third parties without your best interest at heart, Xbox Live will continue to go through massive price hikes even though the venture is making massive profits.

I'm talking about a general hypocrisy not specifics. You don't have to play MMO's to make the same arguement as XBL Gold. It's nothing more than an entry fee. The only difference is MMO players pay tripple what XBL Gold costs for just one game.

BTW, I changed the thread title to try to keep everyone from focusing on the word hypocrisy. That's not really the point. The point is people should either complain about ALL paid online services or shut up.

MMOs and Xbox Live? That's a silly comparison.