Excuse me guy with 3 posts. You know me?

Sure, find me a company that will keep updating and fixing those MMOs, or the customer support people that will handle your account info, or the bandwidth needed to run a server for free and you can have all that.

Or just STFU and stick to playing free open source games, cause if nobody wanted to pay that's what it's going to go down to.

I have three issues with PS+. Sony picks the games, you lose the games if you stop paying and I prefer physical media with full ownership rights, but that last one is just a personal thing.

As for the specific quotes you gave, they are out of context, but I do stand by them. They are however nothing compared to the level of vitral that Xbox Live inspires in it's haters. I don't hate PS+ I just don't think it's as good of a deal as others do the same way I don't subscribe to a jelly of the month club because I don't want a bunch of fars of jelly that may not want to taste. For some reason this viewpoint offends some people so I have to explain it over and over.

I'm going to use google too.

kain_kusanagi on 12/05/12 "I don't want to divert this thread any more than it already has. My original point was that PS+ isn't as valuable to some as it is to others. I'm glad you like it. I'm not interested. I've stated why enough."

It's not as if I post threads about how much I despise PS+ like some do with Xbox Live. I responded to some threads or posts and gave an opinion that was completely in context. I made this thread because of all the people who make topics complaining about XBL Gold who don't want anything to do with Xbox in the first place. Like I said at the bottom of the thread, I'm not asking anyone to buy XBL Gold.

There is a fundamental difference between the services. XBL Gold is required to play Halo 4 online, and like I've said if it was free I'd be happy about that, but it's not so I pay the tiny fee. PS+ is voluntary and if I'm not interested in the games I'm not going to volunteer that money even if it is a good deal to those that the games do interest. These opinions are not mutually exclusive. PSN and XBL are the same, PS+ is a completely different beast.

As for the Hulu comment specificaly. I have always disliked MS's stance on keeping stuff like Hulu and Netflix exclusive to Gold members. I've NEVER defended that and I do think it's wrong to charge money to access stuff people already subscribe to. But that's not what I as a gamer pay for XBLG for. I pay for XBLG for games so I don't talk much about the apps.

If you don't believe about Hulu and junk, here's another googled link:

kain_kusanagi on 08/30/10 "They've added a lot of stuff like ESPN and such. Personally I'd like a subscription rate for people who play less than 5 hours a week. There could be a Platinum XBL at $59.99 for unlimited gameplay and services and a limited Gold XBL subscription for people like me who don't play that much but still want to play from time to time for say $19.99. Silver would still be free. The only paid service I use besides the occasional game of Halo Firefight with my brothers is Netflix and that could be like small additional fee for silver and gold users and standard with Platinum. MS would never do that, but that's what I'd like."

I don't LOVE XBLG and I don't HATE PS+. I pay the price for the games I want to play and I don't see the value in games picked out for me. But niether of these opinions invalidates the observation that in this forum and elsewere people despise the tiny fee for XBLG who claim not to want it.

I play my PS3 almost as much as my 360 so I can tell you that fanboyism isn't the perspective I'm coming from. I have more Sony products than MS products and more Nintendo products than both.

Google is so convenient for calling out bullshit.

kain_kusanagi (on 23 June 2010)

No thank you. I'm not going to pay to let Sony tell me what games I can have for "free".

kain_kusanagi (on 25 June 2010)

Hulu should be free. It's free on the internet. Why would I pay for TV when I already pay for TV? Playstation Plus is so stupid. If you're not paying for playing online then there is no reason to pay. I'm not going to give Sony money for the privilege of letting them hand pick games I can use while I subscribe but never own.

I honestly don't understand why so many Sony fans are so in love with PS +. You pay for Sony to pick games for you. What if you don't want those games? If you do you like the games you have to keep paying or you'll lose it. The sales are fine, but again you're paying Sony to choose what to discount for you. It's more like a rental system, but you only get to rent what Sony picks out from it's basket of stuff they that has already paid for itself or isn't selling.

Google is so convenient for calling out bullshit.

kain_kusanagi (on 23 June 2010)

No thank you. I'm not going to pay to let Sony tell me what games I can have for "free".

kain_kusanagi (on 25 June 2010)

Hulu should be free. It's free on the internet. Why would I pay for TV when I already pay for TV? Playstation Plus is so stupid. If you're not paying for playing online then there is no reason to pay. I'm not going to give Sony money for the privilege of letting them hand pick games I can use while I subscribe but never own.

I honestly don't understand why so many Sony fans are so in love with PS +. You pay for Sony to pick games for you. What if you don't want those games? If you do you like the games you have to keep paying or you'll lose it. The sales are fine, but again you're paying Sony to choose what to discount for you. It's more like a rental system, but you only get to rent what Sony picks out from it's basket of stuff they that has already paid for itself or isn't selling.

This is funny coming from you, from someone describes apple products "over-priced" in every possible chance ,looks down on those who buy Apple products and actually calls them Apple slaves!