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AlphaCielago on 24 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
AlphaCielago said:
I have not read the whole thread, but for what company does you friend work for? Is it Sony?
Because if it is, how the hell is he supposed to know about Nintendo's doings.

He's not working for Sony...


It was just an assumption, so no hard feelings. As I wrote, I did not read the whole thread.



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DanneSandin on 24 February 2013
curl-6 said:
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S.T.A.G.E. said:
VGKing said:
Look at the power difference between PS4 and Wii U. There's your main problem.
Game developers will not compromise their games vision just to accommodate the Wii U. It's just not going to happen, especially with the way Wii U is selling now.


The problem with Nintendo that people havent seen is that Nintendo has held back devs in one way or another to form fit their standards rather than vice versa. Its been like this for over twenty years, its just that when Sony and Microsoft came everyone started to notice what the real problem was when devs fled to Sony to give them the specs they needed to fly.

It's like you're the only one that understands STAGE!! THIS is what I'm talking about! Nintendo is holding 3rd parties back so that their 1st party games look so much better than other games...

Sorry, but that sounds like a bit of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory to me. Nintendo's games are almost never about pushing technically intensive graphics.

No, they're not about looking pretty, they're about game play. Thing is, they're making 3rd parties work so much harder on the HW because they have to work around the restrictions that Nintendo has set up. This is one of the reasons why Wii saw so little support except for shovelware; restrictions that made a hard HW even harder to work with. And btw, you don't think that Rol's theory of 3rd parties being biased and not wanting to make money sounds like a tin foil theory?

The Wii's TEV hardware was totally different to the other consoles, that's why it was hard to develop for.

As for 3rd parties and Nintendo, the 3rd parties think Nintendo gamers only buy Nintendo software, so they don't invest, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Isn't that last part a bit of a tinfoil-hat conspiracy?? Where is YOUR evidence? Can you back that up? I have backed up my claims (somewhat anyways).

And why didn't 3rd parties develop Wii exclusive titles?? because it's too hard? BS! PS3 was also HARD to develop for, but it got ports and exclusives. Why didn't Wii get that? Sure it was a hard piece of HW, but so were PS3 - I'm telling you; Nintendo restricted the HW to 3rd parties making it even harder.

You're asking ME for evidence? What I've said is well known,the burden of proof is on you, and you have shown none.

On Wii, third parties had to compete with Nintendo first party software, and for a smaller "core" gamer crowd. Some actually put the effort, and were rewarded with success: Goldeneye 007 and Monster Hunter 3, for example. Others just figured it was easier to develop for systems with bigger "core" userbases and less first party competition.

where is the proof that third parties just thought fuck it! lets just develop for the hd twins instead of wii... and i think theres quite a few games that show they can do very well despite nintendos first party games, so that argument is invalid. this third party mentality is mere speculation from nintendo fans.

It's far more valid, logical, and likely than Nintendo blocking part of the RAM on purpose jut to handicap third party games versus theirs. That's just preposterous.

I think the other theory is just as crazy. Why say no to money? That's fucked up logic. By holding back 3rd parties dev kits Nintendo games look and run much better, therefore people prefer them over the competing games. A bit more logical - but still stupid as fuck.



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DanneSandin on 24 February 2013
AlphaCielago said:
DanneSandin said:
AlphaCielago said:
I have not read the whole thread, but for what company does you friend work for? Is it Sony?
Because if it is, how the hell is he supposed to know about Nintendo's doings.

He's not working for Sony...


It was just an assumption, so no hard feelings. As I wrote, I did not read the whole thread.

No worries man =) I've heard a lot worse in this thread, as I expected...



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DanneSandin on 24 February 2013
saicho said:
DanneSandin said:

I'm sure not EVERY canclelled game gets reported...

certainly not, but we never heard 3rd party games cancelled by first party before. And you said those games are almost completed which means it's likely gaming medias are ware of them.

Two nearly completed 3rd party games are cancelled for Wii U BY NINTENDO. That's certainly gonna generating hits.

We've only heard about ONE game so far, and that hasn't been announced for Wii U.



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DanneSandin on 24 February 2013
Nem said:
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Nem said:
 


This whole conspiracy theory has a huge drawback. So, how exactly are Nintendo pushing 3rd parties away on the 3DS? Oh wait... they arent. Its just a conspiracy theory. Thanks for nothing.

Well, would you mind explaining how that other conspiracy theory works again? The one about 3rd parties not WANTING to develop for Nintendo consoles because they're biased? Just ask Rol about the details. I'm actually providing REAL reasons why they don't want to develop for Wii U.


The reason is simple. Because they dont sell. Nintendo's first party prowess chokes third parties that dont deliver high quality content.

The wii had the added effect that it was a casual gaming device and wasnt very popular with the hardcore. Nintendo has fixed that with the Wii U, but the installed base is still low.

 

These conspiracy theories that Nintendo are evil and trick the 3rd parties are figments of the imagination. Why? Because as i told you these third parties work with Nintendo creating games for the 3DS. Its all about the sales. If there was something, it would be western third parties hating on Nintendo, because they are heavily influenced by the gratuitous hating the internet brings, in special the US. Also, probably due to cultural barriers that certain companies do not bother to try and overcome and try to ram through (EA). We all know their practices, and we know that it was EA that got greedy as usual and messed the deal they had with Nintendo that originated all this speculation. Its what they do ALL the time.

It was in fact EA that found out that Nintendo was giving them gimped dev kits, and that's apparently why they walked away. And what are you talking about that 3rd party games don't sell on a Nintendo console? Just Dance? How about that one? Sure, it's casual title, but if anything that should show you that there is money to be made on a Nintendo console if you're a third party developer - if you just target the right group. Make the right kind of game and the game will sell. Like Skylander. Sold a bunch. That's developers putting some effort in and making a ton of money, thus redering your argument invalid. The reason a lot of developers didn't make games for the Wii was because it was hard to programme for to begin with, but Nintendo gave them restricted dev kits making it even harder. That's what I'm arguing here.



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DanneSandin on 24 February 2013
Raze said:
The biggest reason the Wii got skipped on many 3rd party games was cost. Devs said they had to entirely build their game different for SD, and didn't feel the cost was worth it. Now that the Wii U is HD, even if less powerful than PS4/720, it's still in the same ballpark, just have to reduce textures and model polys.

So why not make original Wii games? Like Just Dance? Or Skylanders?



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DanneSandin on 24 February 2013
Paquito said:
I love Nintendo.

Me too. I actually do. I buy consoles so that I can play Zelda. All the rest is just bonuses. But Nintendo need to wake up if this is how they make business.



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Boutros on 24 February 2013

Steam is coming to the PS4.



DanneSandin on 24 February 2013
Boutros said:
Steam is coming to the PS4.

Is that confirmed?



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Boutros on 24 February 2013
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Boutros said:
Steam is coming to the PS4.

Is that confirmed?

You just did.