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Forums - Sony - A lot of ignorance today (Remote play and Eyetoy never existed)

S.T.A.G.E. on 26 February 2013
kljesta64 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kljesta64 said:
gameboy was the first handheld device including mobile phones that had a camera :D

i was an add-on but still they done it first


My friend had it, but it was nothing like what Sony created. It took shitty pixelated pictures and had your face in games and stuff. Sony started camera based motion gaming. Nintendo started their own version of motion gaming, but Sonys style of it was still the first of their kind. If Nintendo was such a tech genius, Sony would never be in the gaming industry remember that.

its newer tech what did you expect ? :S and its still copying no matter how you put it

this is not a trial were you can spin words however you like :D


Thats not copying. Copying is making an exact replica of what someone patented which is why theres something called a copyright. Creating a device that takes pictures and prints them out isn't what Sony was doing at all. Kinect taking what the eyetoy did and pushing it is inspiration, but at the same time if Sony hadn't been in contact with Primesense Microsoft would've never given them the time of day. Analog sticks being used in gaming by everyone? That was applied after the popularity of joysticks, but no one considered it copying since Nintendo did it. It's called evolution, so get with it.



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kljesta64 on 26 February 2013

im not hurt in any way lol

but you cant say its not copying thats like saying...putting a tomato in my hamburger or take it out is something differrent  or new an evolution or make the hamburger look different its still copying.. just adding more to it doesnt makeit  a whole new device or idea.



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Gnac on 26 February 2013
joeorc said:

OMFG really?

today http://kotaku.com/5986072/sony-and-nintendo-best-friends-forever

Made that crap and people still think Sony copied the Move controller after the WiiMote..lol

check this out:

this guy claimed this:

"They didn't invent a method for their motion control. They copied a method that had been created before them. That's not inventive or innovative. Sony didn't imitate Nintendo with the Wiimote they imitated the guy who made it."

My response:

the guy who made it was employed @ Sony!!!! this was Sony R&D LABS, HE HAS MULTIPLE Patents on the control scheme for pete's sake!

you know who else was at that 2000 siggraph event? Nintendo!

http://www.siggraph.org/s2000/conference/career/companies.html

Now your just pulling out crap out of your @ss, how do i know?

Well its very freaking simple. DR. marks in 2000 showed off the working Move concept with a working prototype software with a wand control scheme a wand with a multi- colored ball @ this is one freaking full year before gyration pitched the idea to Nintendo in 2001!

http://www.siggraph.org/s2000/online/emerging/

see for your self 3rd down picture on the left!

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Richard Marks

here is the freaking PDF:

http://lukasz.dk/mirror/research-scea/research/pdfs/SIGGRAPHetech2000.pdf

that is one full frwaking year before Nintendo got their pitch, hmm did they get the idea from Sony? Nope, Nintendo never does that! LOL

oh' what's that a wand with a big colored ball with motion control gaming from a freaking PS2 prototype! ONE FULL YEAR BEFORE NINTENDO EVEN GOT THE PITCH FROM http://www.gyration.com/

so by that you heard it here first folk's Nintendo also invented Time Travel and DR. who is ripping off from Nintendo now also/ LMAO

 

Move cost more for the components, just like Kinect the cost vs' what the components were for the WiiMote was just too d@mn expensive for mass market price, hell even Nintendo had to wait for WiiMotion+

Both Microsoft and Sony had to wait, Nintendo did not because the cost's were far cheaper for their motion technology!

Sony copied MoCap. Those freaking dirty dogs!



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Deyon on 26 February 2013
zero129 said:

If you need an answer on such a thing your already failing .

Seriously i wanna know what he did!! You can PM me if you're not allowed to say it here.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 February 2013
kljesta64 said:

im not hurt in any way lol

but you cant say its not copying thats like saying...putting a tomato in my hamburger or take it out is something differrent  or new an evolution or make the hamburger look different its still copying.. just adding more to it doesnt makeit  a whole new device or idea.


Copying is to create a replica, learn the difference. Again, this is why copyrights were created....obviously so peoples idea could be protected. If you take someones idea and make alterations thats inspired evolution but you know where the idea was inspired. All humans do it. Again...if Nintendo didnt need help with tech Sony wouldn't be in the gaming industry.



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J_Allard on 26 February 2013
kljesta64 said:
gameboy was the first handheld device including mobile phones that had a camera :D

i was an add-on but still they done it first


According to the OP, it doesn't count because it "wasn't successful".



Trunkin on 26 February 2013

I'll never understand the comparisons between Eyetoy and Kinect.



kljesta64 on 26 February 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kljesta64 said:

im not hurt in any way lol

but you cant say its not copying thats like saying...putting a tomato in my hamburger or take it out is something differrent  or new an evolution or make the hamburger look different its still copying.. just adding more to it doesnt makeit  a whole new device or idea.


Copying is to create a replica, learn the difference. Again, this is why copyrights were created....obviously so peoples idea could be protected. If you take someones idea and make alterations thats inspired evolution but you know where the idea was inspired. All humans do it. Again...if Nintendo didnt need help with tech Sony wouldn't be in the gaming industry.


there is no need to educate me. if you do not accept how i look at it thats fine you have your own way.



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Jamix012 on 26 February 2013

Remote play did nothing exciting or new. The GBA-GC connection was a far more utilised, and just generally more fun, connection between handheld and console.

If you really want to explore the first ever time you could link a handheld and console it wasn't GBA-GC, but Dreamcast to Neo Geo Pocket.



S.T.A.G.E. on 26 February 2013
zero129 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kljesta64 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kljesta64 said:
gameboy was the first handheld device including mobile phones that had a camera :D

i was an add-on but still they done it first


My friend had it, but it was nothing like what Sony created. It took shitty pixelated pictures and had your face in games and stuff. Sony started camera based motion gaming. Nintendo started their own version of motion gaming, but Sonys style of it was still the first of their kind. If Nintendo was such a tech genius, Sony would never be in the gaming industry remember that.

its newer tech what did you expect ? :S and its still copying no matter how you put it

this is not a trial were you can spin words however you like :D


Thats not copying. Copying is making an exact replica of what someone patented which is why theres something called a copyright. Creating a device that takes pictures and prints them out isn't what Sony was doing at all. Kinect taking what the eyetoy did and pushing it is inspiration, but at the same time if Sony hadn't been in contact with Primesense Microsoft would've never given them the time of day. Analog sticks being used in gaming by everyone? That was applied after the popularity of joysticks, but no one considered it copying since Nintendo did it. It's called evolution, so get with it.

So why then did Sony wait until Nintendo included them with the N64 to bring out their own joypad with analog sticks? was it too expensive for them to add before this??.

Why is the PS joypad pretty much based off a snes joypad with ABYX changed for X, Squre, Circle, triangle??

Why did sony only add rumble after Nintendo did? etc etc.

Pretty much why has Sony waited for Nintendo do do something new with controlls first before they do it??.


Sony used the dual shock to control the X, Y axis, which pushed the idea Nintendo used initially with the N64. Microsoft did as well in the same gen and its so funny no on ever mentions them because they both did it. Before Nintendo people used Joysticks for flight simulators, arcade games and things of that sort. Anything that works for gaming in general should be used. Everyones using Microsoft's triggers now for FPS and racing.  Nintendo laid down the ground work for many companies to create tech over controls which they have already become accustomed. No one has taken away from Nintendo, but Nintendo can be inspired by others as well. Times are changing.