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thismeintiel on 20 February 2013
Mad55 said:
Pillow said:
Asking people to buy for online gaming nowadays is like losing many potential buyers. Not many people are willing to pay for such a basic feature.
If the rumor is true, we'll see the rise of PC gamers for sure..

Hope it false, for the sake of Sony.

IDK aren't here like 40 million gold subscribers on XBL.

No, that number included Silver members, too.  Historically, it has alsways been ~50% of Live members are Gold.  So, at max we are looking t ~20M-25M Gold members.

Now, I know a lot of Xbox fans would love it if Sony started charging for online, as they are the only ones who have to put up with it, but they are going to be disappointed to find that Sony is not charging for online play next gen, either.



 

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UnitSmiley on 20 February 2013
thismeintiel said:
Mad55 said:
Pillow said:
Asking people to buy for online gaming nowadays is like losing many potential buyers. Not many people are willing to pay for such a basic feature.
If the rumor is true, we'll see the rise of PC gamers for sure..

Hope it false, for the sake of Sony.

IDK aren't here like 40 million gold subscribers on XBL.

No, that number included Silver members, too.  Historically, it has alsways been ~50% of Live members are Gold.  So, at max we are looking t ~20M-25M Gold members.

Now, I know a lot of Xbox fans would love it if Sony started charging for online, as they are the only ones who have to put up with it, but they are going to be disappointed to find that Sony is not charging for online play next gen, either.

You sound so sure of it, and i'm inclined to agree with you. But the truth is we really just don't know :/



thismeintiel on 20 February 2013
UnitSmiley said:
Pillow said:

That's right. But I expect people to drop off of it in the coming months. People that are on Xbox Live do not feel it's worth it (most of them, well people I know at least) , so Sony would have to show alot to convince people to pay a similar fee. With Wii U going the F2P path with no multiplayer latency (as far as my experience go), I just don't see another gen with prenium fees for online multiplayer. PS+ is fine since it gives great offers on games and more, but please don't make people pay to play! The only case I can see a game asks for subs is Destiny, but I believe it will be an MMO, so there will be updates all the time.

But paying 60$/year to play COD with your friends (reason why theres 40M gold subs, along with Halo), that is just ridiculous.

I don't say it won't happen, but I just find it a bit suicidal if they incorporate it.

And if they don't, I can see alot of MS gamers switching to PS4: if 720 asks for subscription fees...

I disagree (respectively ofcourse).

Most of the people I have met really don't care about the subscription fee at all. They don't mind paying for Live. They put up with it this entire gen I don't see why they would stop all of a sudden. Not to mention in the US it's seen as the "cool" console. The public loves the Xbox brand and truly believes it's the best, whether that's true or not is irrelevant.

Add to the fact that now Acheivment/Trophies are available and people seem less likely to switch now compared to last gens.

Considering only ~20M-25M out of the 75M+ consoles have a Gold account, I would say the majority do care about paying for a subscription fee.



 

UnitSmiley on 20 February 2013
thismeintiel said:
UnitSmiley said:
Pillow said:

That's right. But I expect people to drop off of it in the coming months. People that are on Xbox Live do not feel it's worth it (most of them, well people I know at least) , so Sony would have to show alot to convince people to pay a similar fee. With Wii U going the F2P path with no multiplayer latency (as far as my experience go), I just don't see another gen with prenium fees for online multiplayer. PS+ is fine since it gives great offers on games and more, but please don't make people pay to play! The only case I can see a game asks for subs is Destiny, but I believe it will be an MMO, so there will be updates all the time.

But paying 60$/year to play COD with your friends (reason why theres 40M gold subs, along with Halo), that is just ridiculous.

I don't say it won't happen, but I just find it a bit suicidal if they incorporate it.

And if they don't, I can see alot of MS gamers switching to PS4: if 720 asks for subscription fees...

I disagree (respectively ofcourse).

Most of the people I have met really don't care about the subscription fee at all. They don't mind paying for Live. They put up with it this entire gen I don't see why they would stop all of a sudden. Not to mention in the US it's seen as the "cool" console. The public loves the Xbox brand and truly believes it's the best, whether that's true or not is irrelevant.

Add to the fact that now Acheivment/Trophies are available and people seem less likely to switch now compared to last gens.

Considering only ~20M-25M out of the 75M+ consoles have a Gold account, I would say the majority do care about paying for a subscription fee.


Are those numbers real? I only ask because every single person I have ever met who has a 360 (and there are a lot of them here lol) has live. Obviously I havn't met all 70+ million console owners, but I just wanted to know where those numbers came from :p



Dmick90 on 20 February 2013

Talk about beating a dead horse...



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Pillow on 20 February 2013
UnitSmiley said:
Pillow said:
Mad55 said:
Pillow said:
Asking people to buy for online gaming nowadays is like losing many potential buyers. Not many people are willing to pay for such a basic feature.
If the rumor is true, we'll see the rise of PC gamers for sure..

Hope it false, for the sake of Sony.

IDK aren't here like 40 million gold subscribers on XBL.

That's right. But I expect people to drop off of it in the coming months. People that are on Xbox Live do not feel it's worth it (most of them, well people I know at least) , so Sony would have to show alot to convince people to pay a similar fee. With Wii U going the F2P path with no multiplayer latency (as far as my experience go), I just don't see another gen with prenium fees for online multiplayer. PS+ is fine since it gives great offers on games and more, but please don't make people pay to play! The only case I can see a game asks for subs is Destiny, but I believe it will be an MMO, so there will be updates all the time.

But paying 60$/year to play COD with your friends (reason why theres 40M gold subs, along with Halo), that is just ridiculous.

I don't say it won't happen, but I just find it a bit suicidal if they incorporate it.

And if they don't, I can see alot of MS gamers switching to PS4: if 720 asks for subscription fees...

I disagree (respectively ofcourse).

Most of the people I have met really don't care about the subscription fee at all. They don't mind paying for Live. They put up with it this entire gen I don't see why they would stop all of a sudden. Not to mention in the US it's seen as the "cool" console. The public loves the Xbox brand and truly believes it's the best, whether that's true or not is irrelevant.

Add to the fact that now Acheivment/Trophies are available and people seem less likely to switch now compared to last gens.

I agree most HC Xbox gamers will stay on the console for the simple fact of getting those achievment points (much like Sony fans). But let's face it, we are going in a new gen where online will pretty much be a given in order to not lose the "base", we aren't in 2006 anymore with slow internet and bad servers. If Nintendo and Sony can have free online, with same multiplats (for Sony at least), MS will have to follow the free path whatever, even if a minority doesn't care about paying. If they want to sell consoles and build a big Base, they will have to deliver like the 2 Japanese brothers.

Perhaps that won't change US gamers choice on the whole as a primary console, but MS will miss out on the other continents, it's like a game of ''Risk''.

I'd rather see the Xbox go the way Sony did with PS+, seems to be the way to go this time arround...

But it's just an opinion



UnitSmiley on 20 February 2013
Pillow said:
UnitSmiley said:
Pillow said:
Mad55 said:
Pillow said:
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I agree most HC Xbox gamers will stay on the console for the simple fact of getting those achievment points (much like Sony fans). But let's face it, we are going in a new gen where online will pretty much be a given in order to not lose the "base", we aren't in 2006 anymore with slow internet and bad servers. If Nintendo and Sony can have free online, with same multiplats (for Sony at least), MS will have to follow the free path whatever, even if a minority doesn't care about paying. If they want to sell consoles and build a big Base, they will have to deliver like the 2 Japanese brothers.

Perhaps that won't change US gamers choice on the whole as a primary console, but MS will miss out on the other continents, it's like a game of ''Risk''.

I'd rather see the Xbox go the way Sony did with PS+, seems to be the way to go this time arround...

But it's just an opinion


Hey man, I hope you're right to be honest. Just sayin I don't think the 360 fanbase will suddenly go "Oh! PS4 has free online gaming? Screw Microsoft!" lol. But then again perhaps I'm just jaded due to living in Microsoftland. Uhm, the US I mean. Though I can see it being more of an important factor elsewhere in the world.



chuckyj1 on 20 February 2013

You didn't see this happening? MS makes Billions off of Xbox Live. Sony is yet to turn any kind of profit with PSN. No one saw them making a bigger push to paid subscriptions?



Mad55 on 20 February 2013
thismeintiel said:
Mad55 said:
Pillow said:
Asking people to buy for online gaming nowadays is like losing many potential buyers. Not many people are willing to pay for such a basic feature.
If the rumor is true, we'll see the rise of PC gamers for sure..

Hope it false, for the sake of Sony.

IDK aren't here like 40 million gold subscribers on XBL.

No, that number included Silver members, too.  Historically, it has alsways been ~50% of Live members are Gold.  So, at max we are looking t ~20M-25M Gold members.

Now, I know a lot of Xbox fans would love it if Sony started charging for online, as they are the only ones who have to put up with it, but they are going to be disappointed to find that Sony is not charging for online play next gen, either.

Your'e quite the psychic.



easyrider on 20 February 2013

LOL!!!! I made a statement about how a lot of ps3 fans would freak out if this happens and here is the proof.