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Adinnieken on 11 February 2013
VGKing said:

That's the problem. Why force bundle an add-on that most people will not want to use? 
But if this rumor is true then they took it one step further with Kinect required to even use the next Xbox. Is this some sort of DRM? What possible reason would Microsoft have for doing this?

I think you're assuming Kinect2 will have the same functionality as Kinect.  It won't.  Kinect 2 is based on a completely different technology that offers much better fidelity as well as the ability to detect in much worse lighting. 

Users will be able to walk up to a Kinect enabled Xbox, turn it on via voice, and log into your profile and online by facial identification.  If a friend, who's never logged in his profile to your console, steps up, the Xbox will log him  in with his profile.   

If a user gets an invite to  a party or game, he'd be able to open or accept the invite by voice, rather than pressing the Guide button.  If a call comes in, or a message is received, the user need only tell his Xbox to answer the call or read the message and the game he's playing, show he's watching, or movie he's watching gets paused and the messaging or Skype app appears. 

That's just based on a few of the patents that Microsoft has recently been granted.  Combine Kinect 2 with Illumiroom and the Fortaleza glasses, I think Kinect 2 will be a feature that sells the console.



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VGKing on 11 February 2013
Darth Tigris said:
VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
VGKing said:

PS3 controllers will work with PS4, that's been confirmed in one of the rumors. They use Bluetooth technology so you can thank Sony for that.

About Kinect, if someone doesn't want it, they shouldn't be forced to pay for it, let alone plug it in and use it. It's ridiculous.

You won't.  Kinect 2 will be included with the console.

Where Microsoft will make up the cost of the Kinect unit is with Illumiroom.

That's the problem. Why force bundle an add-on that most people will not want to use? 
But if this rumor is true then they took it one step further with Kinect required to even use the next Xbox. Is this some sort of DRM? What possible reason would Microsoft have for doing this?

How do you know that?  We have not seen or read about anything that 'Kinect 2.0' will do and you already say that most people will not want to use it.  You are not even leaving the possibility that they have some really cool and awesome stuff that will excite most gamers and that they'll look forward to it.  No, you're just taking a general statement from a rumor and instantly assuming it's going to be something people hate.

THIS is what I mean about premature reactions to rumors.

So how else could we respond?  How about this:  "Well if this is true, I sure hope they have some awesome things with Kinect 2.0 to justify it" or something like would be much preferred.  Instead we get meltdowns.  *sigh*

A lot of gamers don't like motion controls. Simple as that.



VGKing on 11 February 2013
Adinnieken said:
VGKing said:

That's the problem. Why force bundle an add-on that most people will not want to use? 
But if this rumor is true then they took it one step further with Kinect required to even use the next Xbox. Is this some sort of DRM? What possible reason would Microsoft have for doing this?

I think you're assuming Kinect2 will have the same functionality as Kinect.  It won't.  Kinect 2 is based on a completely different technology that offers much better fidelity as well as the ability to detect in much worse lighting. 

Users will be able to walk up to a Kinect enabled Xbox, turn it on via voice, and log into your profile and online by facial identification.  If a friend, who's never logged in his profile to your console, steps up, the Xbox will log him  in with his profile.   

If a user gets an invite to  a party or game, he'd be able to open or accept the invite by voice, rather than pressing the Guide button.  If a call comes in, or a message is received, the user need only tell his Xbox to answer the call or read the message and the game he's playing, show he's watching, or movie he's watching gets paused and the messaging or Skype app appears. 

That's just based on a few of the patents that Microsoft has recently been granted.  Combine Kinect 2 with Illumiroom and the Fortaleza glasses, I think Kinect 2 will be a feature that sells the console.

Those are all gimmicks. The original Kinect already offers much of that functionality. 

Kinect 2.0 is just that, Kinect 2.0. A better version of the Kinect you already have. Now, if you loved the Kinect, you'll probably love Kinect 2.0. If you didn't like the first one, you won't like the new one either. 



walsufnir on 12 February 2013
VGKing said:
Darth Tigris said:
VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
VGKing said:

PS3 controllers will work with PS4, that's been confirmed in one of the rumors. They use Bluetooth technology so you can thank Sony for that.

About Kinect, if someone doesn't want it, they shouldn't be forced to pay for it, let alone plug it in and use it. It's ridiculous.

You won't.  Kinect 2 will be included with the console.

Where Microsoft will make up the cost of the Kinect unit is with Illumiroom.

That's the problem. Why force bundle an add-on that most people will not want to use? 
But if this rumor is true then they took it one step further with Kinect required to even use the next Xbox. Is this some sort of DRM? What possible reason would Microsoft have for doing this?

How do you know that?  We have not seen or read about anything that 'Kinect 2.0' will do and you already say that most people will not want to use it.  You are not even leaving the possibility that they have some really cool and awesome stuff that will excite most gamers and that they'll look forward to it.  No, you're just taking a general statement from a rumor and instantly assuming it's going to be something people hate.

THIS is what I mean about premature reactions to rumors.

So how else could we respond?  How about this:  "Well if this is true, I sure hope they have some awesome things with Kinect 2.0 to justify it" or something like would be much preferred.  Instead we get meltdowns.  *sigh*

A lot of gamers don't like motion controls. Simple as that.


"A lot" != "most people"



the2real4mafol on 12 February 2013

Include Kinect if you want, but why should we have to use it??
Yeah, 500gb is really gonna be enough if you have to install every game! (facepalm!)
This and the banning of second hand games, and the next Xbox will be one of the worst consoles ever. There should be plenty of features on this console, but none of them should be forced on us. The rumours, if true will be disastrous for this console. Hopefully, Sony will follow Nintendo and not do any of this crap!



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fordy on 12 February 2013
VGKing said:

Those are all gimmicks. The original Kinect already offers much of that functionality. 

Kinect 2.0 is just that, Kinect 2.0. A better version of the Kinect you already have. Now, if you loved the Kinect, you'll probably love Kinect 2.0. If you didn't like the first one, you won't like the new one either. 


By that reasoning, a hardware sequel to anything should only sell equal or less than it's predecessor...

Guess that would make the PS2 or Wii numbers fabricated, huh?



Porcupine_I on 12 February 2013
theprof00 said:
Another thing. SuperDae, just a week ago was talking about Durango specs, saying something like "lol, people thinking the specs I released earlier are finalized. Durango is much more powerful than you guys know"....and then he gives Kotaku THIS?
We already knew kinect was going to be better and likely integrated
We already knew the controller wouldn't change too much as it is very well made
We already knew it would have a hard drive based on problems this gen not having one.

All we know now is that kinect cannot be turned off, and every game must be installed, but that's ok because it installs in the background....Oh, at least as long as the devs program it that way.
Only really good news here is that it can run more than one app at a time, though I expect that will be standard on ps4 too.

and it probably scratched the disk after installing it, to solve that pesky used games problem



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VGKing on 12 February 2013
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Darth Tigris said:
VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
VGKing said:

PS3 controllers will work with PS4, that's been confirmed in one of the rumors. They use Bluetooth technology so you can thank Sony for that.

About Kinect, if someone doesn't want it, they shouldn't be forced to pay for it, let alone plug it in and use it. It's ridiculous.

You won't.  Kinect 2 will be included with the console.

Where Microsoft will make up the cost of the Kinect unit is with Illumiroom.

That's the problem. Why force bundle an add-on that most people will not want to use? 
But if this rumor is true then they took it one step further with Kinect required to even use the next Xbox. Is this some sort of DRM? What possible reason would Microsoft have for doing this?

How do you know that?  We have not seen or read about anything that 'Kinect 2.0' will do and you already say that most people will not want to use it.  You are not even leaving the possibility that they have some really cool and awesome stuff that will excite most gamers and that they'll look forward to it.  No, you're just taking a general statement from a rumor and instantly assuming it's going to be something people hate.

THIS is what I mean about premature reactions to rumors.

So how else could we respond?  How about this:  "Well if this is true, I sure hope they have some awesome things with Kinect 2.0 to justify it" or something like would be much preferred.  Instead we get meltdowns.  *sigh*

A lot of gamers don't like motion controls. Simple as that.


"A lot" != "most people"

Yes, most people. Most gamers prefer tradional controls and see motion controls as gimmicky, unresponsive..etc. I feel the same way.
You won't be using Kinect 2.0 to play Call of Duty, at best you'll be using it to give voice commands....something that almost any camera can do such as the next playstation eye.



VGKing on 12 February 2013
fordy said:
VGKing said:

Those are all gimmicks. The original Kinect already offers much of that functionality. 

Kinect 2.0 is just that, Kinect 2.0. A better version of the Kinect you already have. Now, if you loved the Kinect, you'll probably love Kinect 2.0. If you didn't like the first one, you won't like the new one either. 


By that reasoning, a hardware sequel to anything should only sell equal or less than it's predecessor...

Guess that would make the PS2 or Wii numbers fabricated, huh?

I'm sure Kinect 2.0 will sell 1 for every XBox 720 sold, it is force bundled after all.



walsufnir on 13 February 2013
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Darth Tigris said:
VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
VGKing said:

PS3 controllers will work with PS4, that's been confirmed in one of the rumors. They use Bluetooth technology so you can thank Sony for that.

About Kinect, if someone doesn't want it, they shouldn't be forced to pay for it, let alone plug it in and use it. It's ridiculous.

You won't.  Kinect 2 will be included with the console.

Where Microsoft will make up the cost of the Kinect unit is with Illumiroom.

That's the problem. Why force bundle an add-on that most people will not want to use? 
But if this rumor is true then they took it one step further with Kinect required to even use the next Xbox. Is this some sort of DRM? What possible reason would Microsoft have for doing this?

How do you know that?  We have not seen or read about anything that 'Kinect 2.0' will do and you already say that most people will not want to use it.  You are not even leaving the possibility that they have some really cool and awesome stuff that will excite most gamers and that they'll look forward to it.  No, you're just taking a general statement from a rumor and instantly assuming it's going to be something people hate.

THIS is what I mean about premature reactions to rumors.

So how else could we respond?  How about this:  "Well if this is true, I sure hope they have some awesome things with Kinect 2.0 to justify it" or something like would be much preferred.  Instead we get meltdowns.  *sigh*

A lot of gamers don't like motion controls. Simple as that.


"A lot" != "most people"

Yes, most people. Most gamers prefer tradional controls and see motion controls as gimmicky, unresponsive..etc. I feel the same way.
You won't be using Kinect 2.0 to play Call of Duty, at best you'll be using it to give voice commands....something that almost any camera can do such as the next playstation eye.

I think you are overgeneralizing your own opinion - the success of Wii and kinect show that many ppl like motion-controls. And yes, many games can't be properly played with motion-controls. It is up to the devs to create appropriate games.