richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
coolguy said:
The democrats are famous for voter fraud. |
In Chicago, where the dead have voted.
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Well, and in a lot of recent multiple cases where the never existed have... although as i recall a private get out the vote contractor hired by the Republicans has been hit by this too in Ten. so it's not like it's JUST one way.
The illegal voting that goes on just tends to benefit Democrats hence why they're against such legislation. (and why Republicans thought it would win Romney the election, it wouldn't have.)
Fears about keeping legitamtie people away from the polls are unfounded. Democrats found one woman who they thought would be too burdened to be able to get the needed ID to vote. What happened? They lost the case... then she got the proper ID to vote.
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It is turning a blind eye to possible legitimate issues and going into it just enough to use it as a political tool. With issues involving gerrymandering and more, there isn't interest in real votes, just obtaining and holding power.
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Which is why you need the voter ID laws. They catch registration problems and more.
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"Papers please".
If you end up charging people for these IDs, then it is a poll tax. If you don't charge them for it, then it is a burden put on local governments, or another expense state and federal government needs to pick up. If unfunded, it becomes yet another unfunded mandate for local and state governments to bear.
And then the next thing, see original quote, it ends up like a national identity card, and gets into civil rights issues here, about the right to privacy.
And also, voter ID cards won't catch the issues with registration, not if the system is not going to bother to check the backgrounds of folks at all. You still have holes in there.
Throw in also the costs to get a system in place, and it becomes an issue. But of course, the issue again isn't to have voting done right, it is shaped for political reasons. Do any of the individuals who scream about voter fraud, and post in forums like this about how it is an issue, even bother talking about how not all the votes that should be counted aren't? Like a system that drives people away? Nah.... doesn't matter that not all the people who can vote do, in places that vote Democratic. Like, it is JUST FINE that the following happened in Florida (over 200,000 driven away from polls due to the lines):
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-voter-lines-statewide-20130118,0,1394591.story
Do you think thranx would EVER post an article on that? Of course not... It doesn't match the political agenda of the poster. It isn't about voting integrity, it is about having things break the way you want. I am at a place where I am really getting tired of that. And yes, maybe I have the same bias.
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Well yeah... Papers please. You should have to prove you are a citizen of the country before you vote for the countries leader... it's no different then proving who you are before you get some money out at a bank.
I mean, most other countries actually do have Voter ID laws. You have to prove who you are before you vote. It's common sense. Also, you do realize voter ID laws are not laws that require you to get a voting ID. They are laws that require you to get ID that prove you are who you say you are. IE I show my drivers liscense to prove i'm Mike Johnson. The only real issue is states that allow illegal immigrants and the like to get certain IDs... and that can be solved simply by giving them a different looking ID.
Also a National ID card... would be a good thing. Seriously, what's the negative behind that. You shouldn't be able to conceal your identity to your own government. Why should you?
As for voters not being able to vote.... are you
A) Sure that's purely a Democratic problem? I have my doubts.
B) Not able to actually see the difference? On the one hand you have people voting who arent' supposed to. With absolutely zero maesures in place to tell if it's a big problem, if so, how big a problem it is.
On the other hand. You had people not vote, because they didn't want to wait in line. Not mind you, that they couldn't vote. Or even that they were turned away. Since anybody who got to the polls before they closed were aloud to cast their vote even if it was well after the polls closed.
People who also could have mailed in their ballots or even just went earlier.
To me those people are no different then people who just didn't vote at all. Now if it was the pollsters actually turning people before the polls closed, or people waiting and line then being told they couldn't vote. THAT would be an issue.
Your whole arguement seems to boil down to "This is a great idea, and it really should be implemented, but I don't like the person who's idea it is, and it might help their party, and I don't agree with them so fuck this idea."
Ideas that make sense, prevent fraud and in general help the country should be put in place no matter who it helps polticially or whatever... because that shit don't matter.
