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If you owned a new country?

Communist dictator 12 15.00%
 
Absolute monarchy 11 13.75%
 
Constitutional monarchy 4 5.00%
 
Libertarian style government 13 16.25%
 
Capitalist dictator 5 6.25%
 
Direct Democracy 11 13.75%
 
Representative Democracy 8 10.00%
 
A Federal State 4 5.00%
 
Anarchy 12 15.00%
 
Total:80

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Mine:

Five years of complete control to implement this, then representative parliamentary democracy.

- Absolute freedom of speech for the individual. no prohibition on for example incitement to violence or libel. Does not apply to corporations.
- Every government document and proceeding is public domain
- Government officials, elected representatives and their campaigns are not allowed to take money from anyone who is a lobbyist, or see them outside of a normal constituent meeting. Punishable by immediate loss of office.
- No subcontracting is allowed by government
- Tax code and the vast majority of laws in under a side of A4 and in plainer English
- Five-year copyright and patent regime. Everything out of copyright is put up on a free public library server. Patents restricted to machine-or-transformation test (no software, no drugs, no genes no business methods)
- No ability for the military to operate abroad
- Unemployed people who are fit to work are used as unskilled labourers by the government, or attend free training/school/work experience in exchange for having unemployment benefit anything above the living minimum. Otherwise house, food, utilities all paid directly.
- Free trade. No customs duties or protectionism (subsidies, tax breaks)
- Legalisation of drugs and all consenting sexual practices
- Large government space, alternative energy, and scientific research programme



Marks said:

- Highway speed limits would be a provincial issue I guess...but it would be strongly recommended that they be something like 120km/h on single lane highways and on multi-lane highways it can be 140km/h or whatever. None of this bullshit 100km/h we have in Ontario now. 

- A better legal system. No bullshit loopholes that let murderers go free. Say evidence is illegally obtained without a warrant that proves beyond a doubt that someone is the murderer...he will still be charged, but since the evidence was obtained illegally the police officer(s) who found the evidence will lose their jobs and face charges for going around the law. I think that's as fair as possible, killers should not get off free for something like this. 

I'd agree with you on Canada's speed-limit. The three-day trip i took to Ontario last September i had a three-day brainfart and forgot that my speedometer does, in fact, also measure kph, so i just tried to match what everyone around me was doing, and that was about 72 mph or so (closer to your recommended 120 kph)

Although realistically i think the existing system works: people are always going to try to go a little over the speed limit, and i know that, in Ohio for instance, police rule-of-thumb on speeding is usually 9 mph over the limit, so it ultimately works out: people will usually go about 70-75 in a 65 zone, but if you raise the actual limit, then people are just going to go faster still, while i agree with you that 75 mph or 120 kph is a good balance, the psychology of it (combined with a liberal rule-of-thumb for traffic cops) works in favor of the lower limit.

As for the second one, people "get off" on evidentiary loopholes less often then you'd think. Essentially if they're obviously guilty, it's going to come out from some point of evidence or other, and i think the rule isn't that "all illegally obtained evidence is invalid" but rather "all illegally obtained evidence that probably wouldn't have been obtained with legal methods is invalid."



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Capitalist autocracy. I'd rule my country with iron fist for fast prosperity and development and just before dying democracy the shit up.



SecondWar said:
Screamapillar said:
Marks said:

- Government responsibility limited to firefighting, police, national defence, and the courts.

- Health care 100% private

- Schools are privately run, but government funded under a school voucher system. More emphasis on real world skills, less on complicated maths/sciences that you'll never use unless you choose to become an engineer/scientist. 

- University/College 100% private

- Military policy? We will NEVER invade another country or intervene in another nation's affairs. Our military is 100% for DEFENCE. 

- Roads are government owned, but all road work contracted out to private companies. i.e. No lazy ass city workers. 

- No welfare, no social security, no employment insurance, no social assistance

- No stupid regulations on businesses or forcing them to change the way they are run. If the public doesn't like the way a business operates then stop fucking shopping there, we aren't going to force them to change the way they run so you like it better. I'm talking about things like wheelchair ramps here, if a business doesn't way to pay to put in a ramp then don't make them...but they will lose the business of all handicapped people as their punishment. 

- Gold/silver backed currency, we will not have a shitty fiat currency. 

- No corporate taxes, no tarriffs, extremely minimal income tax, an extremely low sales tax (like 1 or 2%)

- Balanced budget amendment built into our constitution, we will NEVER run a deficit on purpose

- Marijuana is legal for recreational use and can be sold at convenience stores. Will be treated no differently than tobacco. 

- All firearms are legal. Anyone can buy any gun, but most possess a government issued firearms licence. The licence itself is free, but you will have to pass strong background checks and a suitable safety/training course which will obviously cost a bit of money since someone must run it. 

- Carry and conceal is legal for anyone, nothing more than the aforementioned firearms licence is necessary. The only regulation I will put on firearms is a 30rd magazine is the largest you can have for FULLY automatic weapons. No bigger magazines or drums for assault rifles...but they are okay for semi-automatic rifles. 

- No minimum wage. The market will determine the wage level based on supply and demand. 

- No foreign aid. How is it constitutional to forcibly take money from people and then give it to another country? If a private individual wants to donate then good for him, but the government won't give away money.

- Highway speed limits would be a provincial issue I guess...but it would be strongly recommended that they be something like 120km/h on single lane highways and on multi-lane highways it can be 140km/h or whatever. None of this bullshit 100km/h we have in Ontario now. 

- A better legal system. No bullshit loopholes that let murderers go free. Say evidence is illegally obtained without a warrant that proves beyond a doubt that someone is the murderer...he will still be charged, but since the evidence was obtained illegally the police officer(s) who found the evidence will lose their jobs and face charges for going around the law. I think that's as fair as possible, killers should not get off free for something like this. 

This.

The thing with that is the minor restrictions you are imposing would need to be enforced, therefore you need some level of government income to fund this enforcement. Doubt the minimal taxes you would impose would cover this (espcially as the legal system isn't private), so you would be forced into a deficit thereby breakign your own laws.

Other things on there that I don't think would work in practice even if they some brilliant on paper (personally don't think even the latter applies to some).


Yeah good point on the taxes. Maybe I could amend that to a system with a bit more in taxes...but if we're running a surplus, then the extra money is given back to the citizens. 

And yeah it would be interesting to see some of these in practice. Because some things like school vouchers look so good on paper, and even worked in test areas (Washington DC did some successfully a while back, or has charter schools or whaterver...I don't remember exactly) but would be cool to see if it works nationwide. 



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Mr Khan said:
Marks said:

- Highway speed limits would be a provincial issue I guess...but it would be strongly recommended that they be something like 120km/h on single lane highways and on multi-lane highways it can be 140km/h or whatever. None of this bullshit 100km/h we have in Ontario now. 

- A better legal system. No bullshit loopholes that let murderers go free. Say evidence is illegally obtained without a warrant that proves beyond a doubt that someone is the murderer...he will still be charged, but since the evidence was obtained illegally the police officer(s) who found the evidence will lose their jobs and face charges for going around the law. I think that's as fair as possible, killers should not get off free for something like this. 

I'd agree with you on Canada's speed-limit. The three-day trip i took to Ontario last September i had a three-day brainfart and forgot that my speedometer does, in fact, also measure kph, so i just tried to match what everyone around me was doing, and that was about 72 mph or so (closer to your recommended 120 kph)

Although realistically i think the existing system works: people are always going to try to go a little over the speed limit, and i know that, in Ohio for instance, police rule-of-thumb on speeding is usually 9 mph over the limit, so it ultimately works out: people will usually go about 70-75 in a 65 zone, but if you raise the actual limit, then people are just going to go faster still, while i agree with you that 75 mph or 120 kph is a good balance, the psychology of it (combined with a liberal rule-of-thumb for traffic cops) works in favor of the lower limit.

As for the second one, people "get off" on evidentiary loopholes less often then you'd think. Essentially if they're obviously guilty, it's going to come out from some point of evidence or other, and i think the rule isn't that "all illegally obtained evidence is invalid" but rather "all illegally obtained evidence that probably wouldn't have been obtained with legal methods is invalid."

Yeah you can do 120km/h no problem on our highways. The cop would have to be very bored on a slow day to ticket you for that. I've even gone past speed traps at 124km/h with my cruise control on and no ticket which is a good 15mph over the limit in American terms. But I'd just like it to be an official 120km/h speed limit and then from there cops could get a little more strict in giving out tickets when people try to go 130+km/h



Screamapillar said:
I can't vote in the poll because you didn't list Constitutional Republic, which is what the US is.

Damn it, i knew i would miss one!



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Whoever voted for anarchy, please post here. I want to see your ideas.



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Prediction: Switch 2 will outsell the PS5 by 2030

It would have a codified constitution and it would be a republic.

I don't like calling it a dictatorship because that implies some element of oppression and authoritarianism, which it would not have. There would be an elected parliament, but it would have considerably less power than most parliaments of today.

Capitalism, but the government would have certain responsibilities: protecting the environment, prohibiting misleading advertising, ensuring that no bribery and blackmail and such take place.

Guaranteed human rights in the constitution as follows:

  • The government shall make no move to infringe upon free speech unless that speech presents a coherent threat to human lives. This is still true if the speech is considered "offensive".
  • No religion shall have any force of law to enforce its beliefs.
  • The armed forces, to the extent that they exist, will be composed entirely of volunteers, and no compulsory military service will exist.
  • The government may not discriminate on basis of race, gender or sexual orientation or mandate that other organisations do so.
  • The people shall have the right to keep and bear a single sidearm except where that possession marks a significant risk to safety (such as on an aeroplane or in a school)
  • The judiciary shall be entirely independent, and the supreme court shall be elected by judges rather than legislators.
  • Having said that, no judge shall discriminate on basis of race or gender, on penalty of being disbarred.
  • All people have the right to a fair trial, with the exception of foreign militants in a warzone for whom there is no realistic possibility of bringing them to trial.
  • The compulsory tax paid by any one person shall be capped at 30%. Those who wish to pay more may do so.
  • The deficit shall be capped at 5% of GDP.
  • The personal use of dangerous substances, in a private place, where they pose no threat to the people around you, will not be criminalised.
  • The state will not regulate relationships between consenting adults, though the judiciary may act as an arbiter.
  • All people have the right to protection from physical harm.
  • No person shall be forced to undertake a medical procedure or otherwise alter their body, at any age, for any reason, by any person, with the exception of essential medical procedures on those too young to consent.

And more stuff, but I'm running out of ideas here.

The constitution can be amended by an 80% vote in Parliament, and a two-thirds vote from the population.



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Kantor said:
  • The armed forces, to the extent that they exist, will be composed entirely of volunteers, and no compulsory military service will exist.


Good luck building an army bigger than 100 men