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exclusive_console on 10 February 2013

Totally abandoning core gamers. This looks good for casuals though. I see where there going with 720.



 

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AnthonyW86 on 10 February 2013

The real question is, why does a video of a Microsoft product have a Apple logo in it?



S.T.A.G.E. on 10 February 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


1. I am not pretending and I am not downplaying Microsofts games, they just don't put that much money into a game unless they know it can sell. They even admitted it. I guess that is an inconvenient truth, but again even they wouldn't disagree because they talked about the risk that comes with new IP's. Sure they'll start a gen with some, but they only leave the gen still with a full hand of titles and nothing more. Granted that means they are smart, but it also shows a lack of heart when it comes to taking risk to push gaming to a true next level. 

2. I don't need to argue that Microsoft has the best shooter, because thats all based on personal  taste. Personally speaking, I think Halo is one of the best shooters of all time, but thats where the buck stops on Microsofts first party. I like Forza, but I believe GT is the complete experience and for either you or me that can be subjective. Again...don't do list wars...you will lose when it comes to games Microsoft actually creates. You can bring Fable into this but I told everyone that even though Fable sold fairly well Lionhead would implode and the house of cards would fall on that disgrace of an RPG  because of the lack of ability to close in on bets made that they would revolutionize RPG's. They had people banking on a promise and now the top devs have left and Molyneux left the building. The first Fable made me say hello, but the second and third put a nail in the coffin of the promises made by that company.

3.When I say Microsofts games should be on par with their multimedia is the amount of money and effort Microsoft puts into their multimedia and acquiring other peoples apps and things they should put that into newer games, but I guess we'll see where the 360 failed there the 720 might definitely succeed, so i'll bite my tongue on that for now. Again, look at any E3 for the past three years, the biggest improvements to the Xbox are the multimedia sections. Microsoft has the multimedia foundation, Gears isn't going to last so I hope Black Tusk and the other core devs have something up their sleeve. Constuctive criticism is showing how a problem can be fixed efficiently and if you don't like that well you're seeing what you want to see. As I said before, go on any gaming site, when you look up Microsoft the majority of the games they show are multiplats and one or two exclusives per year. On the other consoles, it halfway or mostly exclusives. Their multimedia is top notch from a community perspective and the competition needs to keep their eyes peeled on the 720 when it is unveiled. 

Tell me, when I tell you that I believe what I am saying is true and you're misrepresenting my words why do you keep trying to force it down my throat that I am saying otherwise? Even when you quoted me it never helped your case. I want Microsoft to grow and evolve as a company, but more as a gaming company than a multimedia one. They've been great with multimedia since Windows, so they don't need a quiz to ace that test. Again, I like the illum room idea and you look past the fact that I think its cool just because I (as well as the gaming media) feel that Microsofts first party is shallow.

1. I think MS and Sony invested in a lot of new games throughout this gen and many of them were not financially worth while. As this generation progressed 3rd parties began putting out some of the most anticipated titles on the HD twins.

I think MS realized its pointless to invest in so many 1st party games if 3rd parties are putting out many high quality games that people are buying in droves. So MS put its focus on a few major IPs, made Live Arcade a huge success, and of course brought in casuals via Kinect.

Sony on the other hand kept pumping out games like crazy. Many of their games failed or had modest sales. This has lead to studios closing down or no longer working exclusively with Sony. I think its safe to presume to Sony will focus on less games in the future. But maybe they should focus on more Vita games if they ever wanna get that off the ground.

I don't really feel Sony is pushing gaming to the next level. I mean a Wiimote clone, a smash bros clone, kart racers... gimmie a break. I think Kinect is more next level than anything Sony has released this gen.

 

2. All of that is pretty subjective. I really don't even feel like having this discussion. Sony has some good games, but lets not pretend everything they do is amazing.

I don't look at Fable as a traditional RPG, not like Elder Scrolls or other titles similar to that. Fable appeals to me like Mass Effect. The story telling, funny dialogue, and decision making is what keeps me interested. Fable 2 and Fable 3 were great unique titles. Even if they didn't live up to expectations made by Lionhead, most of don't care because we don't listen to the hype. It doesn't matter if people left Lionhead. Bungie left MS, yet Halo somehow managed to get arguably better.

 

3. MS gets other peoples apps to push their multimedia services. MS also gets other people to create games that give the 360 a great library. See, they are making a similar effort on games and multimedia. You happy now?

MS had strong titles for 2012, Sony did not. So this year Sony might have more noteworthy titles than MS. That's just the way it goes sometimes. Perhas MS will surprise us in the near future. Maybe they're focused on the 720.

I know what constructive criticism is. But your "constructive criticism" is saying MS games (other than Halo) aren't good and Sony has a better list of games. That isn't much to work with.

If you feel MS's first party is shallow, well nobody really cares what you think. A lot of us enjoy what MS puts out, even more than everything Sony does combined. Sony's 1st party releases are gonna become more shallow because a lot of their games are bombing. Studios have been closed and others are moving away from Sony.

How many flops can Sony have before they pull back the amount of titles they put out? Answer, they already reached that point.


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.

Once again, I'll say that even the gaming media has noticed Microsoft has veered off from gaming into entertainment > games. Microsofts strengths in gaming seem to be their strategy with 1) Xbox Live and media 2) third party titles and DLC and 3) few exclusives they do have vs the competition in that order.

Do Exclusives matter:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/02/08/game-scoop-do-exclusives-still-matter



Jaywood2010 on 10 February 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.


Ok i havent read through the wall texts but what happened exactly?  Is that what it turned into, MSFT vs Sony? 




       

S.T.A.G.E. on 10 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.


Ok i havent read through the wall texts but what happened exactly?  Is that what it turned into, MSFT vs Sony? 


I stated that I liked the illumi room but I've never had to worry about Microsoft when it came to entertainment as they've been nailing that since Windows. What worries me about them is still games because they are still walking out of the gen with the same couple games they walked out of last gen with alone. He twisted that statement and turned it into a Sony vs Microsoft battle. 



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Jaywood2010 on 10 February 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.


Ok i havent read through the wall texts but what happened exactly?  Is that what it turned into, MSFT vs Sony? 


I stated that I liked the illumi room but I've never had to worry about Microsoft when it came to entertainment as they've been nailing that since Windows. What worries me about them is still games because they are still walking out of the gen with the same couple games they walked out of last gen with alone. He twisted that statement and turned it into a Sony vs Microsoft battle. 


ahh i see.  Well they are woring on new ip's right now so i wouldnt worry about it too much.  I didnt want to read through the novels in here :P lol




       

S.T.A.G.E. on 10 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.


Ok i havent read through the wall texts but what happened exactly?  Is that what it turned into, MSFT vs Sony? 


I stated that I liked the illumi room but I've never had to worry about Microsoft when it came to entertainment as they've been nailing that since Windows. What worries me about them is still games because they are still walking out of the gen with the same couple games they walked out of last gen with alone. He twisted that statement and turned it into a Sony vs Microsoft battle. 


ahh i see.  Well they are woring on new ip's right now so i wouldnt worry about it too much.  I didnt want to read through the novels in here :P lol


LOL That doesn't stop me from worrying about Microsoft. Lets just hope those games survive the gen for now. I hope the games will live up to their three million plus sales expectations.



Jaywood2010 on 10 February 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.


Ok i havent read through the wall texts but what happened exactly?  Is that what it turned into, MSFT vs Sony? 


I stated that I liked the illumi room but I've never had to worry about Microsoft when it came to entertainment as they've been nailing that since Windows. What worries me about them is still games because they are still walking out of the gen with the same couple games they walked out of last gen with alone. He twisted that statement and turned it into a Sony vs Microsoft battle. 


ahh i see.  Well they are woring on new ip's right now so i wouldnt worry about it too much.  I didnt want to read through the novels in here :P lol


LOL That doesn't stop me from worrying about Microsoft. Lets just hope those games survive the gen for now. I hope the games will live up to their three million plus sales expectations.

Well i dont know that ehy are expected to sell 3 million.  But yeah hopefully they will be good.




       

S.T.A.G.E. on 10 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.


Ok i havent read through the wall texts but what happened exactly?  Is that what it turned into, MSFT vs Sony? 


I stated that I liked the illumi room but I've never had to worry about Microsoft when it came to entertainment as they've been nailing that since Windows. What worries me about them is still games because they are still walking out of the gen with the same couple games they walked out of last gen with alone. He twisted that statement and turned it into a Sony vs Microsoft battle. 


ahh i see.  Well they are woring on new ip's right now so i wouldnt worry about it too much.  I didnt want to read through the novels in here :P lol


LOL That doesn't stop me from worrying about Microsoft. Lets just hope those games survive the gen for now. I hope the games will live up to their three million plus sales expectations.

Well i dont know that ehy are expected to sell 3 million.  But yeah hopefully they will be good.


I agree with this. I hope they achieve much as well because I want to have a 720 right next to my PS4 and my Wii U in this new gen.



Mr Puggsly on 10 February 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I am not getting into a Sony vs Microsoft argument with you, this is what you want. I am focused on Microsoft in this post.


Ok i havent read through the wall texts but what happened exactly?  Is that what it turned into, MSFT vs Sony? 


I stated that I liked the illumi room but I've never had to worry about Microsoft when it came to entertainment as they've been nailing that since Windows. What worries me about them is still games because they are still walking out of the gen with the same couple games they walked out of last gen with alone. He twisted that statement and turned it into a Sony vs Microsoft battle. 

I was just challenging comments you made.

 

"What worries me about them is still games because they are still walking out of the gen with the same couple games they walked out of last gen with alone."

Yeah, I'm sure you're very worried. Losing sleep over it?

Is MS really walking out of this gen with the same last gen IPs? Maybe you should go look at the list of the new IPs they put out this gen. That statement is ridiculous because its completely false.

You've made it quite clear you aren't a fan of MS's IPs in many threads so you pretend they haven't done anything but put out Halo, Forza, and Fable. Either you're playing dumb or need to do a little research.



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