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sub-zero-TM on 07 February 2013

On Wikipedia it says as of 31 december Ps3 = 77m and 360 = 75.9m ?



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ethomaz on 07 February 2013
sub-zero-TM said:
On Wikipedia it says as of 31 december Ps3 = 77m and 360 = 75.9m ?

It's Wikipedia... some 360 fan edited the article



sub-zero-TM on 07 February 2013
ethomaz said:
sub-zero-TM said:
On Wikipedia it says as of 31 december Ps3 = 77m and 360 = 75.9m ?

It's Wikipedia... some 360 fan edited the article


Umm don't you mean a ps3 fan? 



ethomaz on 07 February 2013

lol it's sarcasm (at least a try)

Of course the Wiki is wrong because somebody edited with IDC numbers.



Solid-Stark on 07 February 2013
ethomaz said:

Barozi said:

The truth is that shipment numbers aren't equal to sold through numbers, thus comparing the shipment gap to the gap on the front page is invalid.

Whether or not the consoles are over/undertracked is irrelevant as even if shipment figures for both consoles were at exactly 75m (thus the shipment gap being at 0 units), the 360 would still be leading in sold to customer as the PS3 is selling at currently ~30% more than the 360 each week and therefore needs more consoles in the supply chain.

What you said makes no sense for me.


Well he certainly doesn't like this "speculation and guesswork", thats for sure. :P

I believe what he is trying to get at was debunked by Troll_Whisperer quite some time ago. PS3 ships to more regions, and those shipments are still sold through; therefore rendering his point moot.



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ethomaz on 07 February 2013

Solid-Stark said:

Well he certainly doesn't like this "speculation and guesswork", thats for sure. :P

I believe what he is trying to get at was debunked by Troll_Whisperer quite some time ago. PS3 ships to more regions, and those shipments are still sold through; therefore rendering his point moot.

I think I understood a little but the example he gave is confusing.

But one think I'm sure... no way there is 2.5 million X360 or 3 million PS3 on shelves... that's much... and if VGC adjusts the numbers the front page change with that.

Another thing... the DS situation is impossible... Sales > Shipped... obvious overtracked.



Solid-Stark on 07 February 2013
ethomaz said:

Solid-Stark said:

Well he certainly doesn't like this "speculation and guesswork", thats for sure. :P

I believe what he is trying to get at was debunked by Troll_Whisperer quite some time ago. PS3 ships to more regions, and those shipments are still sold through; therefore rendering his point moot.

I think I understood a little but the example he gave is confusing.

But one think I'm sure... no way there is 2.5 million X360 or 3 million PS3 on shelves... that's much... and if VGC adjusts the numbers the front page change with that.

Another thing... the DS situation is impossible... Sales > Shipped... obvious overtracked.

Yup, no doubt PS3 and 360 need to be adjusted up.

DS looks like it will remain that way. 



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 08 February 2013
kowenicki said:
Let me help... from the annual accounts. A legal document to shareholders where they report actual numbers.

Sales decreased 15.1% year-on-year (an 18% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 268.5 billion yen (3,086 million U.S. dollars). Overall segment sales decreased significantly due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PlayStation®3 (“PS3”) and PSP® (PlayStation Portable) (“PSP”), partially offset by the sales of the PlayStation®Vita introduced in December 2011.


So..... lower year on year sales of HARDWARE and software of the PS3.

Same quarter last year they shipped 6.5m. So all we know for sure is it is less than 6.5m for the last quarter.

That's not a guess. That's a fact.

So then we look at September and a realistic expectation would be 68m as shown in my thread on shipped v sold. For it to be 69m would have meant way too much in supply.

So I'd say max of 6m for PS3 plus 68 gives us 74. That's as good a guess as you have made here... So can you change your title please. Thanks.


Change the title? lolololololololol



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 08 February 2013
kowenicki said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
kowenicki said:
Let me help... from the annual accounts. A legal document to shareholders where they report actual numbers.

Sales decreased 15.1% year-on-year (an 18% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 268.5 billion yen (3,086 million U.S. dollars). Overall segment sales decreased significantly due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PlayStation®3 (“PS3”) and PSP® (PlayStation Portable) (“PSP”), partially offset by the sales of the PlayStation®Vita introduced in December 2011.


So..... lower year on year sales of HARDWARE and software of the PS3.

Same quarter last year they shipped 6.5m. So all we know for sure is it is less than 6.5m for the last quarter.

That's not a guess. That's a fact.

So then we look at September and a realistic expectation would be 68m as shown in my thread on shipped v sold. For it to be 69m would have meant way too much in supply.

So I'd say max of 6m for PS3 plus 68 gives us 74. That's as good a guess as you have made here... So can you change your title please. Thanks.


Change the title? lolololololololol

Lol. Why not?  My summary is every bit as plausible as the one here.  

I dont have a problem with your summary, it's just that you forgot that you're ASKING turkish to do it. I doubt he'll even reply to your comment.



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Turkish on 08 February 2013
kowenicki said:
Let me help... from the annual accounts. A legal document to shareholders where they report actual numbers.

Sales decreased 15.1% year-on-year (an 18% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 268.5 billion yen (3,086 million U.S. dollars). Overall segment sales decreased significantly due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PlayStation®3 (“PS3”) and PSP® (PlayStation Portable) (“PSP”), partially offset by the sales of the PlayStation®Vita introduced in December 2011.


So..... lower year on year sales of HARDWARE and software of the PS3.

Same quarter last year they shipped 6.5m. So all we know for sure is it is less than 6.5m for the last quarter.

That's not a guess. That's a fact.

So then we look at September and a realistic expectation would be 68m as shown in my thread on shipped v sold. For it to be 69m would have meant way too much in supply.

So I'd say max of 6m for PS3 plus 68 gives us 74. That's as good a guess as you have made here... So can you change your title please. Thanks.


Thanks for the obvious, everybody figured out hardware was down YoY. Do you know by how much? No, you're also guessing. We know PS2+3 shipped 6.8m and we know PS2 can't have shipped 0.9m it did last year, following the downwards trend of ps2 sales its down to 0.6-0.8m. That leaves PS3 with the rest of 6m shipped for this q. Thats down YoY for PS3 aswel. If you use the ratio of PS2 and PS3 shipments of FY2011 it makes perfect sense. On nov 4 2012 Sony reports 70m ps3s shipped. October is NOT a big holidays month, I say max 1.2m have been shipped during october(ps3 at +-69m on sept 31), +-2m in november and +-3m for the biggest month of the year.

If it was 68m at the end of september, that would mean october was as big or bigger than nov/dec in shipments or you have serious expectations of the ps2.