The system is so expensive because of the Gamepad, its unbelievable they still lose money with every console sold with this hardware that is hardly any better than PS360 specifications wise, we had confirmation for the ram and cpu, and now also the gpu, its better than PS360 but not by much.

Guys, Scisca has it right - the only way to define next-gen is to base the decision on what little kids would say.

Which I guess is about right. I mean, mentally, most of the people who decide "next-gen" in this way are probably about the equivalent. :P

Speak for yourself, as a fan I don't feel fucked over at all.

I don't buy Nintendo consoles to get bleeding edge graphics; if they could give us games as amazing as Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 with an overclocked 2001 era CPU and GPU and 91MB of RAM, then a GPU that's a modest improvement over the 360 and 1GB of in-game RAM (which could expand via trimming the OS, like with the 3DS) is enough for me. Yeah, Crysis 3 PC graphics at 1080p would have been nice, but the Wii's 480p resolution never stopped me enjoying its many great games.

All that being said, specs are often misleading. Theoretical performace and real world performance can vary enormously. Take the Gamecube for example. On paper, the original Xbox should have eaten it for breakfast, yet Rogue Squadron 3 on Gamecube  pushed more polygons and effects at a higher framerate than anything on the Xbox. However, to get this kind of performance requires very clever programming that sidesteps the hardware's flaws and maximises its strengths.

Once a talented developer with ample resources gains intimate experience with the Wii U hardware and sets out to make a beautiful looking game, I have no doubt we'll see visuals that dwarf anything we've seen from the console so far.

Wow. So touchy. Why, exactly?

I'll word it an other way then... The Wii U is an underpowered new gen console. Better? Ha ha!

It's irrelevent to you, maybe. But obviously, it affects you quite a bit, since you're so adamant in making sure people see this the way you do. 

Also, nice of you to finish that post of yours by flaming. 

Ouya!!!1!!1!

I'll word it a different way for you, then. The PS3 and 360 were overpowered consoles, hence the exorbitant price of the PS3 and the fact that the 360 had hardware problems for the first two years.

My point? It's all perspective. And since we can't have reasonable debates about things when we use subjective measures such as "which console is underpowered, overpowered, etc" to define the basic parameters, the only rational thing to do is to choose an objective measure.

And what luck, we have an objective measure - time of release. Which fortunately lines up quite nicely with the actual definition of "generation".

As for why I'm touchy - I'm touchy about anybody who would dare to screw with the English language in order to reinforce their personal bias.

And no, there was no flaming. I referred not once to people, but to arguments. The argument over "What constitutes next-gen" is a STUPID one, based on the ignorant idea that power should be the defining property of a generation. I did not say in my post that the people involved in the argument are stupid, I said that the argument itself was stupid.

Well done for twisting his words and ignoring the points made. Then resorting to calling people out that have a different point of view from you and comparing their mental capacity to small children. Great job.

Man let it go. Not worth the time. The media and the haters are going to have a frenzy tomorrow. The situation is going to get worst before it gets better. Just enjoy the games you love - thats all what really matters.

I'd like to draw your attention to the smiley at the end. It's kind of the key to it all.

I think you should take a chill pill, cause you're going to pop. Why are you even so aggressive? Maybe stop attacking me with blind fury and just state what exactly do you want to disagree with in my post?

You want to know who's complaining? Nintendo fans. Just read this very thread and see how they are complaining about 3rd parties leaving N consoles. They've been doing this for years now. If you can't see it, I feel very sorry for you.

Nintendo sold more consoles than PS3 or X360 - so what? Have I ever said anything different? I think you're just not understanding the point of my posts.

You are the one who said that real = mainstream. When I say mainstream, I mean the biggest market that buys the most games and that is clearly PS360+PC. I have never said whether I like the direction Nintendo is going or not, I'm just acknowledging the fact that they are going in a different direction and that they have to bear the consequences, so stop acting like a braindead mad man and attacking me for something I have never said.

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