i'm going ps4 nextgen, it will the most powerful, and i'm happy they are not focusing on motion controls, which i hate.

I did trust them but then i found beyond3d, the only person that really came with something conclusive is AlStrong a mod at beyond3d, which is where neogaf got there numers from for the wiiu gflops, at first neogaf though it was 160 sp instead of 320sp.

Wow that's an intelligent response to my post. Please prove me wrong that what I said is not true.

1) MS's HDDs are way more expensive and are slower than what we can get in retail channels for the same price. I cannot buy an SSD for the Xbox 360, or a 1TB 2.5 inch hard drive. I am stuck buying a slow 5400 rpm POS Toshiba or Hitachi mechanical 250GB drive with MS. Amazing!! 

2) Shall we count the # of Xbox 360 exclusive titles/franchisees worth buying? I just bought Fable 1 and 3 for my PC for $5 on Amazon. That leaves me with Gears of War, Halo and Forza. The only 3 franchises I care to purchase considering I have a high-end gaming PC. To me that makes Xbox 360 a budget PC with just 3 key franchisees worth buying and crappy graphics for multi-platform games I'd rather buy for me PC.

3) Xbox Live fees - Sony offers the option of PSN+ (with free games) or PSN (with free online gaming).

So I stated facts and you attacked me for being biased? 

Go ahead ask any PC gamer which console is the most redundant on any PC hardware forum. I can almost guarantee almost everyone with a high-end gaming PC will tell you that Xbox 1 and 360 were the most redundant consoles for our userbase. 

Trim those quote trees, guys. ;)

And for those of you who weren't into it or around then, we had spec wars like this at the start of the 6th and 7th gens too, and people claimed the PS2 was stronger than the Xbox and Gamecube or the 360 was stronger than the PS3 based on specs like these Wii U ones.

Hate to burst your bubble but the specs speak volumes right now whereas in the 6th and 7th gen the difference between the core consoles was negliable. 

The Wii U's max power draw is very low. It is likely that the PS4/next-box will not follow that suit and will probably use arounf 100W more power. Fact is the Wii U has yet to demonstrate power that suggests it is next-gen ready - there is as of yet no "PGR3" for the Wii U. Until such a game is released, it will not be considered a next-gen console. 

that's what happens to me as well, people with strong loyalities to a company will always claim your biased if you say anything negative even though its a fact, in reality we just want the best product for are money.

There's a whole 'nother thread for this, but power doesn't determine generations, product iterations do. I'm not expecting the Wii U to rival what the Nextbox and PS4 do graphically, and that doesn't bother me.

The specs we have now are incomplete and unclear. You can't determine a console's true processing capabilities from its power draw.

Both WiiMote + Nunchuck is way more better for gaming , just try Resident Evil 4 Wii or some other FPS game with these controls.

Im sorry if Sony or Microsoft gave you a bad fps Motion control experience.

This is completely different. PC gamers now have an entire history of AMD GPUs spanning from HD7000 and below. When the GPU in Xbox 360 came out, we didn't even have a unified shader GPU architecture on the PC as that only arrived in 2006. At Xbox 360's launch time this made it impossible to estimate or understand how the GPU compared to PC parts. After HD2000 series released, we knew that Xbox 360's GPU was more powerful than PS3's RSX. That's not even up for debate among people who researched the specs. You can say without a shadow of a doubt that the GPU inside Xbox 360 is more powerful if you don't talk about the CPUs.

We know the die size of Wii U's GPU and the console's total maximum power consumption and die sizes of all of the important R700 chips made on 40nm nodes. There is no magic sauce in R700 GPU design. It uses an outdated VLIW architecture. If the architecture is not Graphics Core Next, the GPU in Wii U is already outdated automatically, no matter what it is because we know it's a 40nm part made by AMD and there are no 40nm GCN GPUs. If the power consumption of the Wii U in games is 35-40W, the console cannot be powerful. It's just not possible. So yes, you definitely can estimate the performance of hardware looking at GPU manufacturing nodes and the total power consumption, especially since you can rule out that Wii U does not use the most advanced GPU architectures (Kepler or Graphics Core Next). That means the GPU is automatically less efficient per clock cycle.

Look at the size of flagship GPUs on the PC. They are nearly the size of the Wii U itself. AMD's flagship HD7970GE uses 235W of power, manufactured on 28nm node (which is 60% more efficient than 40nm one at the same operating transistor frequency). This would mean that GPU inside the Wii U would use 587W of power if it were made on 40nm node of Wii U and clocked at 1.05Ghz. Based on this estimate alone, and Wii U's power usage of 35W in games, the GPU in the Wii U is 16.7x slower than an HD7970GE (587W / 35W ~ 16.7x)

No matter how you look at it, from a power consumption, die size, or maximum specs of R700 vs. die size comparison, you end up arriving at very similar conclusion = Wii U's GPU is extremely underpowered to be a next generation console.

You still need to know all of the customizations made to Latte, which we don't yet. It's not off-the-shelf.

You and Matzy seem to be under the mistaken impression that I'm arguing for a "top of the line PC"/"rivals PS4/720" level of power in Wii U. I'm not. I'm saying that (A) the evidence so far suggests it is more powerful than the PS3 and 360, and (B) that we don't know enough to make a conclusive ruling yet.

50% better than PS360 is fine by me. It's about what I expected.

It should also be noted that as a console, Wii U has the advantage of having uniform innards which means games can be more specifically optimised for it than PC games. Consoles always blow away what a PC with the same amount of raw power can do in gaming because of this, so directly comparing it to PC parts often paints an inaccurate picture.