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Forums - Sales - Global UP! 26th January 2013

CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

It is just nice knowing 360 held its own while it was the current offering. Shows its gen over gen improvement. I see no reason to shit on that reasoning if you know PS3 will edge it out eventually.

'Tis true. The 360 held its own, took much of the PlayStation market, and will go into next gen stronger than the last. That's not what you were arguing, however. 

Well considering that with any electronic product, when a new product comes out the older ones fade from the consumers eye and spotlight. Surely you can't argue that. Nintendo gamers have moved on, 360 gamers are eagerly awaiting the next Xbox....I assure you I will give my undivided attention to the next Xbox when it releases. That leaves only PS gamers.....internet minorities at that that will truly care. So mathmatically and given the consumer perception of product lifecycles in the capitalist electronics market, you can argue that most people won't care when PS3 passes 360 after November.

Thats all.

You love to leave irony wide open to dismantle your posts. If the internet only has the PlayStation "minority" you speak of, they must have loud voices since you're more affected by this than anyone else.

You sidestepped my argument :)

Its not like I can approach PS gamers in their house and on the streets. The minority fans are accessible on the forums....right at my fingertips. Its about accessability.



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Gehirnkrampf said:
wow, these supply issues are really holding back the sales of the wiiu. i wonder what's going on in the factorys. maybe foxconn workers are striking or something.


more like demand issues



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Panama said:
I get the feeling American and European consumers don't realize the Wii U is BC with the Wii. However, even if you factor that in, the sales would still be quite low I suppose.

On the other hand, Ni No Kuni in the West will surpass its Japanese sales once we get European launch week numbers. I wonder why the game had no hype in Japan.

Not much sex appeal in No Ni Kuni to appeal to Japanese taste. Would have done better on if it was on Wii. 

OT: These weeks just seem so slow. Japs are still buying so many PSP's. Also good for Ni No Kuni. 



CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
CGI-Quality said:

You love to leave irony wide open to dismantle your posts. If the internet only has the PlayStation "minority" you speak of, they must have loud voices since you're more affected by this than anyone else.

You sidestepped my argument :)

Not at all. You just refuse to listen passed your own whispers, rendering any further debate useless. :)

"Well considering that with any electronic product, when a new product comes out the older ones fade from the consumers eye and spotlight. Surely you can't argue that. Nintendo gamers have moved on, 360 gamers are eagerly awaiting the next Xbox....I assure you I will give my undivided attention to the next Xbox when it releases. That leaves only PS gamers.....internet minorities at that that will truly care. So mathmatically and given the consumer perception of product lifecycles in the capitalist electronics market, you can argue that most people won't care when PS3 passes 360 after November."

Using common sense, I at least have a basis for arguing that most gamers won't care post November. You, neglecting how the electronics market works, sidestepped that and accused me of focusing on the minority gamers.

(Edit: Also PC gamers won't care, forgot about them).

That in tiself doesn't discredit them being a statistical minority, merely accusing me of picking on them specifically. I reasoned that they are easily accessible, a sound response I think. Its easy.

I have a basis to say only a tiny minority of gamers will care post November. You don't. No further debate necessary indeed.

EDIT: I dont take too kindly to your sidestepping and arrogant passive aggressive closers when you clearly didn't address me, merely dismissing me based on your perception of me. Shame.



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Soleron said:
Gehirnkrampf said:
wow, these supply issues are really holding back the sales of the wiiu. i wonder what's going on in the factorys. maybe foxconn workers are striking or something.

There are no supply issues.


sarcasm?!



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JGarret said:
Gamerace said:
JGarret said:
Sal.Paradise said:
JGarret said:

 


Surreal.

I never expected the Wii U to perform as well as the Wii, but not bad like that, man, not like that...and can you imagine if NSMBU wasn´t available?

I don't think anybody on the chartz predicted this, or at least I didn't see anyone predict it. You'd probably be labelled a hater if you did!

True.

That´s one of the reasons a new generation is exciting..it´s a completely new game, being the 'winner' in a previous generation means very little or nothing if you don´t play your cards right.

Well, I did predict WiiU would only do 30m lifetime and be replaced by 2016 prior to launch. 

However, looking at these post-holiday numbers makes me wonder if I wasn't too generous in that prediction.  Not even the Nintendo-core are buying WiiU.  Not yet anyway.   Desperately needs games.

30 million?...that´s worse than the N64...personally, I see it somewhere between the N64 and the NES, leaning much more towards the former.


I gave a lot of reasons for that.  Basically the gamepad adds too much cost for an otherwise (soon-to-be) out of date system without any of the benefits that the Wiimote or DS's second screen added.    It's seen as neither innovative nor desirable to the majority of people.  If the gamepad adds nothing to gameplay (and for the most part this is true, almost all WiiU games can be played without it, without losing anything really.  Then the only reason to buy one is to eventually play HD 3D Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros....    There is no other reason to get one.  Worse, if PS4/720 launch as comparible price points (likely since they aren't THAT high tech and Sony/MS will almost certainly take a loss on them once again) WiiU is completely f---ed.



 

Panama said:
I get the feeling American and European consumers don't realize the Wii U is BC with the Wii. However, even if you factor that in, the sales would still be quite low I suppose.

On the other hand, Ni No Kuni in the West will surpass its Japanese sales once we get European launch week numbers. I wonder why the game had no hype in Japan.

That might be due to the DS Ni no Kuni, which released 1 year before the PS3 game in JPN and largely had the same content, although afaik it wasn't the same game. In the DS version you had to memorize and draw the spells yourself and such and though that sounds fun maybe it didn't work all that well.

Soleron said:
Gehirnkrampf said:
wow, these supply issues are really holding back the sales of the wiiu. i wonder what's going on in the factorys. maybe foxconn workers are striking or something.

There are no supply issues.

I'm pretty sure he is mocking that one user who kept arguing low Wii U europe sales were due to supply issues.



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http://www.vgchartz.com/game/45870/ninokuni-shiroki-seihai-no-joou/Japan/



CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

"Well considering that with any electronic product, when a new product comes out the older ones fade from the consumers eye and spotlight. Surely you can't argue that. Nintendo gamers have moved on, 360 gamers are eagerly awaiting the next Xbox....I assure you I will give my undivided attention to the next Xbox when it releases. That leaves only PS gamers.....internet minorities at that that will truly care. So mathmatically and given the consumer perception of product lifecycles in the capitalist electronics market, you can argue that most people won't care when PS3 passes 360 after November."

Using common sense, I at least have a basis for arguing that most gamers won't care post November. You, neglecting how the electronics market works, sidestepped that and accused me of focusing on the minority gamers.

(Edit: Also PC gamers won't care, forgot about them).

That in tiself doesn't discredit them being a statistical minority, merely accusing me of picking on them specifically. I reasoned that they are easily accessible, a sound response I think. Its easy.

I have a basis to say only a tiny minority of gamers will care post November. You don't. No further debate necessary indeed.

Again, I gave you Business Protocol 101. All you did was tell me that the majority of people will have moved on (a truth, but not the full story). Of course many gamers will have moved on, but I never argued that, because that goes without saying. In the corporate world, the numbers will not be forgetten, minimzed, or irgnored (what I've said from the beginning). You weren't "sidestepped" nor ignored. It's just as I said, you mainly speak out of simple opinion and personal feelings.

The easiest way to solve this problem - agree to disagree. Just don't disregard an argument because you didn't grasp it or conflict with it.

I see. You claim relevance in that it matters from a business perspective. That I can agree with.

"Of course many gamers will have moved on, but I never argued that, because that goes without saying."

That is what I was arguing, and I see you agree with that too. My point is that since we are ourselves gamers, we will mostly have moved on, and it really won't matter, except to the executies at Sony Corp.



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Lafiel said:
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Soleron said:
Gehirnkrampf said:
wow, these supply issues are really holding back the sales of the wiiu. i wonder what's going on in the factorys. maybe foxconn workers are striking or something.

There are no supply issues.

I'm pretty sure he is mocking that one user who kept arguing low Wii U europe sales were due to supply issues.

Poe's law for sales threads. Impossible to distinguish between parodies of badly informed opinions and the sincere holders of them.