M.U.G.E.N said:
I thought this doesn't include the sale of the NY building? |
Yea, I think that wasn't finalized until recently, so it should be in their Q4 report, which should make the FY look pretty good. I think they are also toying with the idea of selling a building in Tokyo, if they haven't done that already.
| Tarumon said: Sony presents financials on a consolidated basis, meaning it shows revenue and expenses for companies as if they owned 100% , then pull out the net effect of the portions it doesn't really own. Sony the consoidated presentation was profitable, but Sony the actual company lost 10.8 billion Yen during the 3rd quarter. Hence the outlook for the year in its entirety remained the same, despite Yen depreciation. The increase in sales for Sony came not from having actually sold more of something, but from how they incorporated Sony Mobile's sales differently this year. Whereas last year, Sony Mobile was accounted under Equity Method (pro rata share of sales reported), this year Sony is showing the whole piece. Hence the statement: "On a pro forma basis, had Sony Mobile been fully consolidated in the same quarter of the previous fiscal year, consolidated sales would have remained essentially flat." Sony's financial conditions in fact went downhill in this all important Holiday quarter. More Debt, Less Equity as a result of the net loss. |
Yes, most of the Japanese companies are having favorable exchange rates, but still accumulating more debt and less sales. If the exchange rates all of a sudden reversed then they would not have much breathing room to make a profit.
| Tarumon said: Sony presents financials on a consolidated basis, meaning it shows revenue and expenses for companies as if they owned 100% , then pull out the net effect of the portions it doesn't really own. Sony the consoidated presentation was profitable, but Sony the actual company lost 10.8 billion Yen during the 3rd quarter. Hence the outlook for the year in its entirety remained the same, despite Yen depreciation. The increase in sales for Sony came not from having actually sold more of something, but from how they incorporated Sony Mobile's sales differently this year. Whereas last year, Sony Mobile was accounted under Equity Method (pro rata share of sales reported), this year Sony is showing the whole piece. Hence the statement: "On a pro forma basis, had Sony Mobile been fully consolidated in the same quarter of the previous fiscal year, consolidated sales would have remained essentially flat." Sony's financial conditions in fact went downhill in this all important Holiday quarter. More Debt, Less Equity as a result of the net loss. |
It's really bad. Read their report more thoroughly, shares should tank tomorrow. One would of thought that with the yen currently in their favor they would have posted positive results on par to Nintendo or at least higher. I'm simply at a loss of words. Q3 was a net loss of 124 million. They will only post a profit for year-end because of them selling assets, how does that help their money losing strategy?
Farsala said:
Well 2.8 combined Q1 and 3.5 combined Q2. Vgchartz users assumed 1m PS2 for Q1, which has mostly been proven right. That shipment was large enough to sustain Q2. If it did .6m last Q and 1m Q1 then that leaves PS3 at 4.7 then going by your figures PS3 is now at 10.5m PS3. PS2 at 2.6m. I think the general numbers is right for the year just the split up is unknown. Personally I think PS2 shipments dropped and PS3 shipments decreased by .3m for this Q.
at 13.1m combined they expect 2.9m for next Q. |
Actually, Sony's Ps3 shipments as of October proved them wrong as does ps2 sales trends. No way Ps2 shipped twice as much in the summer than it did in the fall the year before. No way sony shipped 2.5 million ps3's in october then another 1.7mil in November and December
Farsala said:
Well 2.8 combined Q1 and 3.5 combined Q2. Vgchartz users assumed 1m PS2 for Q1, which has mostly been proven right. That shipment was large enough to sustain Q2. If it did .6m last Q and 1m Q1 then that leaves PS3 at 4.7 then going by your figures PS3 is now at 10.5m PS3. PS2 at 2.6m. I think the general numbers is right for the year just the split up is unknown. Personally I think PS2 shipments dropped and PS3 shipments decreased by .3m for this Q.
at 13.1m combined they expect 2.9m for next Q. |
In addition to this I think Sony expected 16m combined PS3+PS2. 13m from PS3 and 3m PS2 and they have not adjusted or changed these expectations. So I believe PS3 is higher while PS2 is lower from these calculations.
115 million loss according to the following report - http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/sony-trims-quarterly-loss-115-million-18427044
I'm at a loss of words, I would of thought they would have posted a profit like Nintendo.
Troll_Whisperer said:
How do you know? All we know it that PS3 shipments reached 70m in mid-November, right? Not all those 6m are for the last 1.5 months. |
70 mil by last week of October. It was reported mid Nov but reached it in last week october
Ha, just shows how little I know about these things. Reading through the report I though they did pretty well overall but then you guys start talking about losses and stuff.
I hate how they insist on not giving individual numbers on their consoles...
Max King of the Wild said:
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Right, I had just googled when the news was released. Still, we can't be sure of where PS3 shipments stand now. They should be pretty close though.
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I have no idea how they posted a loss this quarter :S Horrible numbers
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