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UltimateUnknown on 01 February 2013
richardhutnik said:
UltimateUnknown said:
richardhutnik said:
UltimateUnknown said:
Because it is mass stereotyping. There is no scientific study that concludes that every single person in a given race is dumber than the dumbest person in another race. If that was somehow proven to be the case, then you could make an objective claim stating "Race X is superior in IQ in Race Y". That is of course assuming you are taking into account one's innate IQ only and not the intelligence they gain throughout their lifetime, because intelligence can change depending on how much effort a person puts into learning. I of course did not mention subjective things such as "beauty" which no one will unanimously agree on.

You'd find that making such a claim of IQ is downright impossible given the fact that we have no absolute way of determining the IQ of a person at birth (at least at the time being) and hence if you made that statement without proof, you'd be bandwagoning people to a stereotype just because a certain set of people act in a certain way. Even if 99 people out of a 100 people acted in a certain way, it'd be wrong to bandwagon that one guy with the other 99 just because they have some other similarity.

So the ultimate point is, stop being racist and get to know people and judge them on their individual merit. Humans are all born unique because of the mechanics of genetics itself.

If it can be shown scientifically that certain people clustered around certain genetic attributes are superior in certain was, would it then be ok to acknowledge that group as a whole is superior to other groups?  Is the core objection to racism is that it is not scientifically true, but if it were, then it would be ok to act racist?

Then that would be fact. If for some reason for example all black people had longer legs than all white people, then black people having longer legs than white people would be a fact just like a proton being made of two up quarks and a down quark, while a neutron is made of one up quark and two down quarks. Also in that case you would have no grounds of "insulting" someone for an attritube they were born with which they had no option in deciding. It is a fact that someone who is born handicapped can not walk while the majority of us can walk normally. But that doesn't give you, me or anyone else who can walk the right to insult the handicapped for not being able to walk, for he/she had no choice in the matter. Insulting someone for almost all reasons to me personally is wrong, but insulting someone for something they are born with is just plain dumb.

Racism although is quite the contrary where people make either false or untestable accusations on individuals based on stereotypes and people are victimised due to irrational fears or some kind of vague sense of superiority which are unfounded. This is why racism occurs mostly from what I have seen.

So my point here is, even if it is an empirical fact that you are born more gifted than others, which we do see everyday where certain people have more IQ or capability of learning or have more physical strength than others, it doesn't give you the right to insult or be tyrranical towards them, because neither you nor them chose to be born the way you were born.

Is the issue here the racism or the insulting and acting tyrranical towards someone?  What justifies insulting or acting tyrranical towards anyone?  Even if all that was said is true, where someone is clearly superior, and a group of people are, would it be right they act in a manner of insulting and a pretty much a bully?

The answer to your questions: NO. Simply because it makes no sense and is wrong in doing anything negative towards someone for a trait they are born with, which they didn't choose.



 

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Moonhero on 01 February 2013

All I know is that it's better to be a Nord than other Races. There are many enemies that use ice powers, and taking half damage to that is wonderful. It seems that the Elves are not very well received, Red Guard are looked down upon, and not even Khajiit want to be Khajiit.



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KungKras on 01 February 2013

Individual differences always matter more than race. So it is not fair to anyone to pre-judge them because of race.



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DiscussionTime on 01 February 2013

Each race has their own traits, features, and culture differences.

But to claim superiority/inferiority impairs ones ability to be treated as an equal in the eyes of the law and society. That is where it crosses the line.



richardhutnik on 01 February 2013
Moonhero said:
All I know is that it's better to be a Nord than other Races. There are many enemies that use ice powers, and taking half damage to that is wonderful. It seems that the Elves are not very well received, Red Guard are looked down upon, and not even Khajiit want to be Khajiit.

I am not sure a Nord and Bert couuld make heads or tails out of that:



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richardhutnik on 01 February 2013
UltimateUnknown said:
richardhutnik said:
UltimateUnknown said:
richardhutnik said:
UltimateUnknown said:
Because it is mass stereotyping. There is no scientific study that concludes that every single person in a given race is dumber than the dumbest person in another race. If that was somehow proven to be the case, then you could make an objective claim stating "Race X is superior in IQ in Race Y". That is of course assuming you are taking into account one's innate IQ only and not the intelligence they gain throughout their lifetime, because intelligence can change depending on how much effort a person puts into learning. I of course did not mention subjective things such as "beauty" which no one will unanimously agree on.

You'd find that making such a claim of IQ is downright impossible given the fact that we have no absolute way of determining the IQ of a person at birth (at least at the time being) and hence if you made that statement without proof, you'd be bandwagoning people to a stereotype just because a certain set of people act in a certain way. Even if 99 people out of a 100 people acted in a certain way, it'd be wrong to bandwagon that one guy with the other 99 just because they have some other similarity.

So the ultimate point is, stop being racist and get to know people and judge them on their individual merit. Humans are all born unique because of the mechanics of genetics itself.

If it can be shown scientifically that certain people clustered around certain genetic attributes are superior in certain was, would it then be ok to acknowledge that group as a whole is superior to other groups?  Is the core objection to racism is that it is not scientifically true, but if it were, then it would be ok to act racist?

Then that would be fact. If for some reason for example all black people had longer legs than all white people, then black people having longer legs than white people would be a fact just like a proton being made of two up quarks and a down quark, while a neutron is made of one up quark and two down quarks. Also in that case you would have no grounds of "insulting" someone for an attritube they were born with which they had no option in deciding. It is a fact that someone who is born handicapped can not walk while the majority of us can walk normally. But that doesn't give you, me or anyone else who can walk the right to insult the handicapped for not being able to walk, for he/she had no choice in the matter. Insulting someone for almost all reasons to me personally is wrong, but insulting someone for something they are born with is just plain dumb.

Racism although is quite the contrary where people make either false or untestable accusations on individuals based on stereotypes and people are victimised due to irrational fears or some kind of vague sense of superiority which are unfounded. This is why racism occurs mostly from what I have seen.

So my point here is, even if it is an empirical fact that you are born more gifted than others, which we do see everyday where certain people have more IQ or capability of learning or have more physical strength than others, it doesn't give you the right to insult or be tyrranical towards them, because neither you nor them chose to be born the way you were born.

Is the issue here the racism or the insulting and acting tyrranical towards someone?  What justifies insulting or acting tyrranical towards anyone?  Even if all that was said is true, where someone is clearly superior, and a group of people are, would it be right they act in a manner of insulting and a pretty much a bully?

The answer to your questions: NO. Simply because it makes no sense and is wrong in doing anything negative towards someone for a trait they are born with, which they didn't choose.

Well, when is it appropriate to do anything negative towards someone?  Is it appropriate to do bad things to people who choose things in poor taste, dress poorly, or whatever?  Is it appropriate to do bad things if individuals pick something of free volition?



miz1q2w3e on 01 February 2013
badgenome said:
Roma said:

lol the normal part makes it racist

that's like saying white is normal and every other color is not



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UltimateUnknown on 01 February 2013
richardhutnik said:
UltimateUnknown said:
richardhutnik said:
UltimateUnknown said:
richardhutnik said:
UltimateUnknown said:

 

Is the issue here the racism or the insulting and acting tyrranical towards someone?  What justifies insulting or acting tyrranical towards anyone?  Even if all that was said is true, where someone is clearly superior, and a group of people are, would it be right they act in a manner of insulting and a pretty much a bully?

The answer to your questions: NO. Simply because it makes no sense and is wrong in doing anything negative towards someone for a trait they are born with, which they didn't choose.

Well, when is it appropriate to do anything negative towards someone?  Is it appropriate to do bad things to people who choose things in poor taste, dress poorly, or whatever?  Is it appropriate to do bad things if individuals pick something of free volition?


That should be obvious right? When someone chooses to do something wrong like kill someone say, then you should be stopping them.



 

Bajablo on 01 February 2013
Kresnik said:
bananaking21 said:
everybody is equal, its just that simple


But some are more equal than others?

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on OT:

Racism is wrong cause it generalizes individuals, you do it every day but racism causes you to not be consistent with your values.
= you treat a black person different from an asian (yellow?).

I try to treat everyone in the same matter:
*Everyone is an idiot untill they proove that they arn't
*You should always be polite to idiots

= race is not in the consideration from the start, cause it dosn't matter



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the2real4mafol on 01 February 2013

Racism is just ignorance and hatred, it's just wrong when people exploit this ignorance and hatred in a hope to "ethnically cleanse" a race, something nationalists believe is right. We have no right to hate on something we don't understand and discriminate against them for that reason. Just get to know other cultures and ways of doing things and even if you don't agree, just tolerate it. Regardless of who we are, we can achieve great things together.



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