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S.T.A.G.E. said:
UnitSmiley said:
UltimateUnknown said:
UnitSmiley said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
UltimateUnknown said:

Pretty much what I felt after getting PS3 late this gen. I felt dumb for paying MS for live while everything major it offers is free elsewhere. And MS is not to blame because they are feeding on my stupidity. I truly feel dumb and don't intend to repeat this mistake again next gen.


Thats probably why the COD numbers have grown on the PS3. People have become aware of what they are getting on the PS3 and the availability of COD is still there free from online charges. The veil is dwindling but I dont think it is in the US.


I live in the US and most people I know who are 360 fans don't care about ANYTHING Sony offers. I try to explain that they are missing out on some great experiences with exclusives and that PSN+ is actually a really great service but they literally just don't care. A lot of them are my friends too and we end up getting into arguements all the time. They still use tired and old arguements of "Playstation has no games" or "360 has better online". I show them all the exclusives and they just scoff. I know for a fact they are pretending they don't care since i've shown a few of them trailers/gameplay from certain exclusives and they get super excited. Then I tell them it's a PS3 exclusive and they go straight to hating it. It's kind of ridiculous and actually upsets me since a fair amount of these people are my friends.

I have no idea why their hatred for Sony outweighs their love of videogames. I still feel like  most of the people who prefer the 360 only do so because it's popular atm. The media loves Microsoft and loves to hate Sony, especially at the beginning of the gen. People here still associate Sony with all that negativity from its launch. Which astounds me because if you were a REAL gamer you would realize that things are way different now compared to back then.

I really feel like Microsoft could only make barbie and sesame street games from now on, but as long as the media and microsofts marketing makes people believe they are the best, people would still say 360 > PS3. It's a shame and I wish a lot of those superficial "gamers" would simply leave.

I feel you man. As I said before and although it is harsh, but its just plain simple: MS feeds on the consumer's stupidity of following fads and getting brainwashed into not being able to make up their own minds. Its a problem of people nowadays that wherever the masses go, they think they need to go there to be "hip".

Personally at the time when I bought the 360 over 3 years ago I genuinely thought that it was offering something unique in the multiplayer front. But I am a gamer at heart and not someone who just follows trends, so I could clearly see that the PS3 is just offering MUCH more than MS has been offering for the past few years. You really can't argue against the fact that MS have been riding on Halo and Gears to sell people shooters, which is the current "hip" thing, while Sony has a library that is far more diverse in genres. Even when you don't consider the games and just the pure service, MS is pretty much charging you $50 for cross game chat and kinect/bing dashboard support. Perhaps you should ask your friends, even if they don't care about the games, do they really feel that paying $50 a year for cross game chat and waving your hands at the dashboard really worth it? Because everyhing else MS has Sony and other platforms offer for free. But unfortunately I don't think any of this will help since they have been brainwashed into thinking MS is great my the media and their friends.

If you are truly a gamer, you should be able to rise above all this fanboy media brainwashing crap and see who is truly offering the best services at the most value price. The truth is evidently clear from that which is deceitful. That said if someone really enjoys MS console for Halo and Gears and they truly don't like the games other platform holders have to offer (unlikely but possible), I have no problems with those people. Them paying MS is fine because they made up their own minds and enjoy what they enjoy.


I totally agree. I really hope next gen is more about actual quality instead of perceived quality, but I doubt it :/


If Sony makes it clear to the audience to people that PSN is free and has all the features of live and more people will leave Xbox Live high and dry especially in America where the people are always looking at competing brands with a proper community fused system. This is what Sony needs walking into next gen. They need to do to Microsoft exactly what Microsoft did to them by making them indistinguishable to them at face value and then slap them with features they've been covering up for a while.


I don't know dude. I would love for that to happen but that would take the so called "gamers" out there to actually be interested in quality. As it is right now most people just want to play what's popular, regardless of how good or bad something is. As long as the Nextbox doesn't give you aids when you first turn it on, I don't see people switching to Playstation unfortunately.

Sony definitely needs to get better and more aggressive at marketing though.



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ps3-sales! said:
VGKing said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I honestly don't understand why so many Sony fans are so in love with PS +. You pay for Sony to pick games for you. What if you don't want those games? If you do you like the games you have to keep paying or you'll lose it. The sales are fine, but again you're paying Sony to choose what to discount for you. It's more like a rental system, but you only get to rent what Sony picks out from it's basket of stuff they that has already paid for itself or isn't selling.

You get free games, not just discounts.

Those free games may be game you've always wanted to try or missed. In my case its Borerlands and Bioshock 2. Yes, Sony chooses the games and thats the whole point of it. They give us a chance to try these games they know many of us missed or in some cases it can be used as a promotional tool to promote the sequel.(as with Bioshock 2)

WE DO NOT LOSE THE GAMES ONCE WE STOP SUBSCRIBING. We just lose access to them. But then again, why would you unsubscribe? By the time your subscribition ends, odds are you've already gotten more than your moneys worth. Odds are you're not even playing these games anymore so it wouldn't matter you can't play them anymore.

I myself just finished Bioshock 2 and plan on buying Infinite in the future. This is the magic of Playstation Plus. 

Your argument that you dont' get to choose what games to play is just ridiculous. Plus isn't a rental service. It is not like Netflix. However, you do get a LARGE library of 1-hour game trials. That's alone may be worth it to some people. You can try the new Medal of Honor or Battlefield 3 for example.

Don't bother with him. He's obviously butt hurt that he doesn't have access to Playstation plus. 

What are you talking about? I have access to PS+ just like any PS3 owner. It just doesn't offer me anything I want. Don't make assumption about people you don't know. I bought my PS3 for Team Ico and since that hasn't happened this gen I have number of exclusives that I've enjoyed that made it worth it. PS+ has very little that appeals to me.

The games it gives for "free" are all games I could get for a few bucks in a used bin at my local used game store. I bought a used copy of Bioshock 2 for about $5 and if I had any interest in Borderlands it was about the same. Luckily I didn't have to pay for the game I wansn't interesting in. I don't miss out on games, I buy the ones I want most and wait for cheap used prices on the ones I'm less interested in. And I get to keep them forever with no need to pay a subscription to play them in the future. I'd pay for PS+ if it let me play anything in the entire library, but it doesn't so I'm not interested. I also have don't like paying for a digital copy of anything that I can get a physicle copy of. When I pay for something I want full ownership rights, but Sony treats PS+ "free" games as rentals without letting me pick out the games to rent.

It's not about the money. If you had to pay for PS+ to get access to online gaming I'd pay it and I wouldn't complain. And I'm not even complaining about PS+. All I'm saying is I don't have any interesting in paying for an optional service that has nothing to offer me that I want.



It appears that most of those who believe XBL is better than PSN do so for reasons entirely isolated from XBL. It is not that the fact it is a paid service that makes it better, just that they prefer the aesthetics and features associated with the platform that happens to have the service and they misguidedly associate those factors to XBL and the fact they pay for it while others do not. In reality, their preferred service happens to charge them for access regardless of its connection to what the service actually delivers because of it.

Smoke and mirrors, and exclusive features they can gatekeep. If you pay for the service because you want those features or are constrained to seek an alternative, then fine by me, but I'm sick of delusional visions of grandeur because Microsoft found a way at your pocket change.

PS+ is a great service Sony is providing that Microsoft doesn't have, and it is doing it for less than what they like to charge for their controversial service.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Chark said:
It appears that most of those who believe XBL is better than PSN do so for reasons entirely isolated from XBL. It is not that the fact it is a paid service that makes it better, just that they prefer the aesthetics and features associated with the platform that happens to have the service and they misguidedly associate those factors to XBL and the fact they pay for it while others do not. In reality, their preferred service happens to charge them for access regardless of its connection to what the service actually delivers because of it.

Smoke and mirrors, and exclusive features they can gatekeep. If you pay for the service because you want those features or are constrained to seek an alternative, then fine by me, but I'm sick of delusional visions of grandeur because Microsoft found a way at your pocket change.

PS+ is a great service Sony is providing that Microsoft doesn't have, and it is doing it for less than what they like to charge for their controversial service.


Then don't take it out on people who just want to play on XBL and take it out of MS. 



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Chark said:
It appears that most of those who believe XBL is better than PSN do so for reasons entirely isolated from XBL. It is not that the fact it is a paid service that makes it better, just that they prefer the aesthetics and features associated with the platform that happens to have the service and they misguidedly associate those factors to XBL and the fact they pay for it while others do not. In reality, their preferred service happens to charge them for access regardless of its connection to what the service actually delivers because of it.

Smoke and mirrors, and exclusive features they can gatekeep. If you pay for the service because you want those features or are constrained to seek an alternative, then fine by me, but I'm sick of delusional visions of grandeur because Microsoft found a way at your pocket change.

PS+ is a great service Sony is providing that Microsoft doesn't have, and it is doing it for less than what they like to charge for their controversial service.


Then don't take it out on people who just want to play on XBL and take it out of MS. 

I'm not taking it out on the users at all. I see plenty of people who mistaken the construct of XBL and I'm just sick of it. I'm not lashing out and there isn't anything wrong with my expressing that. I'm just explaining. If that's a problem, it should be a sign. I know looking at this thread, almost any XBL user might be a little on edge.

This gen has been riddled with harsh sentiments on both sides, misinformed opinion, and delusion. The amount of content associated with this topic is sickening.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Chark said:
It appears that most of those who believe XBL is better than PSN do so for reasons entirely isolated from XBL. It is not that the fact it is a paid service that makes it better, just that they prefer the aesthetics and features associated with the platform that happens to have the service and they misguidedly associate those factors to XBL and the fact they pay for it while others do not. In reality, their preferred service happens to charge them for access regardless of its connection to what the service actually delivers because of it.

Smoke and mirrors, and exclusive features they can gatekeep. If you pay for the service because you want those features or are constrained to seek an alternative, then fine by me, but I'm sick of delusional visions of grandeur because Microsoft found a way at your pocket change.

PS+ is a great service Sony is providing that Microsoft doesn't have, and it is doing it for less than what they like to charge for their controversial service.


Then don't take it out on people who just want to play on XBL and take it out of MS. 


Not possible.. it bothers some people too much that others are perfectly ok with paying for a service that they deem worth the money.



VGKing said:
BenVTrigger said:
Playstation Plus is hands down the best thing about the Playstation eco system besides its big 1st party exclusives.

If MS doesnt substantially increase the amount of services Xbox Live Gold offers next gen I could see PS+ being a big weapon in Sonys arsenal

It already is.

Playstation Plus offers you an instant game collection on top of the already free online. That is all you need to enjoy your PS3. Huge savings. and these aren't bad games either..we're getting games like Borderlands, Bioshock 2, Uncharted Golden Abyss, LittleBigPlanet 2...etc.

PS+ should be a standard for online services on consoles.

Agreed. Imagine going into a shop and seeing a PS3 for an extra £39 with 44 games on the box. You would double take and ask if it was a misprint.



kain_kusanagi said:
ps3-sales! said:
VGKing said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I honestly don't understand why so many Sony fans are so in love with PS +. You pay for Sony to pick games for you. What if you don't want those games? If you do you like the games you have to keep paying or you'll lose it. The sales are fine, but again you're paying Sony to choose what to discount for you. It's more like a rental system, but you only get to rent what Sony picks out from it's basket of stuff they that has already paid for itself or isn't selling.

You get free games, not just discounts.

Those free games may be game you've always wanted to try or missed. In my case its Borerlands and Bioshock 2. Yes, Sony chooses the games and thats the whole point of it. They give us a chance to try these games they know many of us missed or in some cases it can be used as a promotional tool to promote the sequel.(as with Bioshock 2)

WE DO NOT LOSE THE GAMES ONCE WE STOP SUBSCRIBING. We just lose access to them. But then again, why would you unsubscribe? By the time your subscribition ends, odds are you've already gotten more than your moneys worth. Odds are you're not even playing these games anymore so it wouldn't matter you can't play them anymore.

I myself just finished Bioshock 2 and plan on buying Infinite in the future. This is the magic of Playstation Plus. 

Your argument that you dont' get to choose what games to play is just ridiculous. Plus isn't a rental service. It is not like Netflix. However, you do get a LARGE library of 1-hour game trials. That's alone may be worth it to some people. You can try the new Medal of Honor or Battlefield 3 for example.

Don't bother with him. He's obviously butt hurt that he doesn't have access to Playstation plus. 

What are you talking about? I have access to PS+ just like any PS3 owner. It just doesn't offer me anything I want. Don't make assumption about people you don't know. I bought my PS3 for Team Ico and since that hasn't happened this gen I have number of exclusives that I've enjoyed that made it worth it. PS+ has very little that appeals to me.

The games it gives for "free" are all games I could get for a few bucks in a used bin at my local used game store. I bought a used copy of Bioshock 2 for about $5 and if I had any interest in Borderlands it was about the same. Luckily I didn't have to pay for the game I wansn't interesting in. I don't miss out on games, I buy the ones I want most and wait for cheap used prices on the ones I'm less interested in. And I get to keep them forever with no need to pay a subscription to play them in the future. I'd pay for PS+ if it let me play anything in the entire library, but it doesn't so I'm not interested. I also have don't like paying for a digital copy of anything that I can get a physicle copy of. When I pay for something I want full ownership rights, but Sony treats PS+ "free" games as rentals without letting me pick out the games to rent.

It's not about the money. If you had to pay for PS+ to get access to online gaming I'd pay it and I wouldn't complain. And I'm not even complaining about PS+. All I'm saying is I don't have any interesting in paying for an optional service that has nothing to offer me that I want.

Wait a second. So you complain about PS+ because they don't offer you every single game to play but you'd be willing to pay for PS+ if Sony decided to make it compulsory to play online?!



J_Allard said:

lol what does graphic design work matter.

I don't think aesthetics help me connect to games faster or the myriad of other advantages Live has that have been discussed to death here (here as in this forum, not this particular thread). But whatever floats your boat.

And Sony doesn't give a **** about Valve. They created PS+ as a way to create a subscription based service without pissing off all their fans who were used to not paying for online play. Don't be surprised if online play costs money right off the bat with PS4 but they soften the blow by including PS+. They do that, then XBL is in trouble. But that is assuming MS doesn't also have an ace or two up their sleeve, which I am sure they do.


How does graphic design or web know how matter? Understanding aesthetics and how design works is paramount when you look at these things. To the average person aesthetics psychologically affect what they buy, places they go, eat in the back of their mind. It's not a straight forward effect, and isnt thought or preached about on a normal level. This is why I every designer has to learn color theory. People react to it based on culture for it has different forms and meaning for a variety of people. The reason PSN's network is so bland is because the design is basic, point blank. Sony hasn't evolved anything about it until the PSN store since the PSP was launched (In which the design ignorance lasted nearly a decade before true changes began). I have no problem with you liking Xbox Live better but design and color scheme play a big part in why Xbox Live is better, but let me show you something about PSN.

PSP

PS3

Still a bland and monochromatic style with variations between many muted tones. Bland text that doesn't draw the eye and rather falls behind into the background if it isn't highlighted. The Icons are old and should be done away with unless they create a divider and lessen the effect of the icons. Its incompetent design management.

Old PSN Store

New PSN Store

Same muted tones reflecting Sonys attitude, but clashing against one another in a complimentary fashion which is pleasing to the eye and pushes the objects they are trying to sell into the forefont. Dark recedes, the opposite of Xbox Live which is very vibrant, and large cuts. Verticle Rectangle cuts which draw the eye in and present things like they matter in a more commercial mode aesthetics. This is a huge step up for Sony and it has taken forever for them to learn this.

Now lets look at Xbox Lives new Experience presenting that design and commercialism aesthetic IS what they focus on yearly to sell their product aside from adding other multimedia perks. 

Xbox Live walkthrough:

(Note: Games are no longer the primary function of Xbox Live experience it's actually behind social and videos sitting comfortably in the middle but still somewhat neglected)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4PugGSbVL8

You see its all design aesthetics, form and function. Everything else is reliant on third party (multimedia), games and the hardware itself for cross chat and stuff. Anyone can do it, it's just that Sony is slow and bloody retarded when it comes down to it. Are people shallow? Yes they are....they just don't think about it on that level. People pay for Apple because of brand image, unity of the whole package product (Combo with Itunes, Ipod, IPad, IPhone and Mac laptop or Computer)and unity of its design. Its cut from the same cloth as Apple, but was overly done because the even the mac needs to be user friendly for people who want to use their laptops and desk tops and realize os aesthetic depends purely on what tech you're using. Somethings can be simple and boxed in and others cannot. The design works because its simple for progress, yet it unifies the structure so you feel like you are in one big community. Sony fails to understand this and thats why PSN seems so scattered and shitty. 

Sony needs to intergrate the PSN Store into the body of the primary dashboard to create unity. Everything feels seperate rather than welcoming to the mind, sight, and touch. Again some people like Sonys old design but the majority are taking to the new design better because of aesthetic know how. They need to think about this with the PS4.

Design > Features > Products 

Without design all these features have no place to go and neither do the products. If you know how to do it just right you increase the appeal. This is why Microsoft is ahead of Sony is marketing. 

 

-Always bring up your strengths and  hide your weaknesses.



Gribble said:
VGKing said:
BenVTrigger said:
Playstation Plus is hands down the best thing about the Playstation eco system besides its big 1st party exclusives.

If MS doesnt substantially increase the amount of services Xbox Live Gold offers next gen I could see PS+ being a big weapon in Sonys arsenal

It already is.

Playstation Plus offers you an instant game collection on top of the already free online. That is all you need to enjoy your PS3. Huge savings. and these aren't bad games either..we're getting games like Borderlands, Bioshock 2, Uncharted Golden Abyss, LittleBigPlanet 2...etc.

PS+ should be a standard for online services on consoles.

Agreed. Imagine going into a shop and seeing a PS3 for an extra £39 with 44 games on the box. You would double take and ask if it was a misprint.

That's why Sony REALLY needs to get the word out on this AMAZING service.  Commercials as simple as "PSN offers you online play, apps, and store access aboslutely free, but you can also sign up for Playstation + and get hundreds of dollars worth of content including getting certain games free and others at huge discount prices of up to 75% off on a weekly basis.  Keep everything you download as long you're a member.  You get all this plus cloud storage and early access to demos and online betas for less than the price of ONE game at only $50 a year."  God I wish Kevin Butler was still around to put in some sort of rip on Live and how if you can afford to pay $60 a year for avatars you're gonna love this haha




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