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Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.

Well, my friend's cousin's grandfather's step mother's neighbour told me that he knows your friend and that he didn't say or do any of this.



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Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
VGKing said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I honestly don't understand why so many Sony fans are so in love with PS +. You pay for Sony to pick games for you. What if you don't want those games? If you do you like the games you have to keep paying or you'll lose it. The sales are fine, but again you're paying Sony to choose what to discount for you. It's more like a rental system, but you only get to rent what Sony picks out from it's basket of stuff they that has already paid for itself or isn't selling.

You get free games, not just discounts.

Those free games may be game you've always wanted to try or missed. In my case its Borerlands and Bioshock 2. Yes, Sony chooses the games and thats the whole point of it. They give us a chance to try these games they know many of us missed or in some cases it can be used as a promotional tool to promote the sequel.(as with Bioshock 2)

WE DO NOT LOSE THE GAMES ONCE WE STOP SUBSCRIBING. We just lose access to them. But then again, why would you unsubscribe? By the time your subscribition ends, odds are you've already gotten more than your moneys worth. Odds are you're not even playing these games anymore so it wouldn't matter you can't play them anymore.

I myself just finished Bioshock 2 and plan on buying Infinite in the future. This is the magic of Playstation Plus. 

Your argument that you dont' get to choose what games to play is just ridiculous. Plus isn't a rental service. It is not like Netflix. However, you do get a LARGE library of 1-hour game trials. That's alone may be worth it to some people. You can try the new Medal of Honor or Battlefield 3 for example.

While I do agree that Ps+ humiliates MS. Dont go as far as saying that downloading free games from Ps+ is not renting becuase that is plain lying. 

The user above was saying Ps Plus is like a rental service that you don't get to pick which games you rent. He's wrong. It is not a rental service, it is a games service. If PS Plus were to ever evolve into a rental service where you pick your own games, it would cost a heck of a lot more than $50 a year. This is the where the value comes in. You don't know what you're getting. You could get Red Dead Redemption one month and a basketball game the other. As a subscriber of PS Plus we rely on Sony to pick good games for us to play, its a sort of mutual agreement. If they started giving out crap games, then no one would pay for it, but if they started letting people pick the newest and greatest games, EVERYONE would pay for it and they'd end up losing money.



Yeah, as much as Sony has missteps (even though I love everything they do) this was amazing. What Xbox does is ridiculous, and I hope people notice that in the eighth gen and switch to Orbis. I will continue to renew my subscription to this great service.



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UltimateUnknown said:
UnitSmiley said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
UltimateUnknown said:

Pretty much what I felt after getting PS3 late this gen. I felt dumb for paying MS for live while everything major it offers is free elsewhere. And MS is not to blame because they are feeding on my stupidity. I truly feel dumb and don't intend to repeat this mistake again next gen.


Thats probably why the COD numbers have grown on the PS3. People have become aware of what they are getting on the PS3 and the availability of COD is still there free from online charges. The veil is dwindling but I dont think it is in the US.


I live in the US and most people I know who are 360 fans don't care about ANYTHING Sony offers. I try to explain that they are missing out on some great experiences with exclusives and that PSN+ is actually a really great service but they literally just don't care. A lot of them are my friends too and we end up getting into arguements all the time. They still use tired and old arguements of "Playstation has no games" or "360 has better online". I show them all the exclusives and they just scoff. I know for a fact they are pretending they don't care since i've shown a few of them trailers/gameplay from certain exclusives and they get super excited. Then I tell them it's a PS3 exclusive and they go straight to hating it. It's kind of ridiculous and actually upsets me since a fair amount of these people are my friends.

I have no idea why their hatred for Sony outweighs their love of videogames. I still feel like  most of the people who prefer the 360 only do so because it's popular atm. The media loves Microsoft and loves to hate Sony, especially at the beginning of the gen. People here still associate Sony with all that negativity from its launch. Which astounds me because if you were a REAL gamer you would realize that things are way different now compared to back then.

I really feel like Microsoft could only make barbie and sesame street games from now on, but as long as the media and microsofts marketing makes people believe they are the best, people would still say 360 > PS3. It's a shame and I wish a lot of those superficial "gamers" would simply leave.

I feel you man. As I said before and although it is harsh, but its just plain simple: MS feeds on the consumer's stupidity of following fads and getting brainwashed into not being able to make up their own minds. Its a problem of people nowadays that wherever the masses go, they think they need to go there to be "hip".

Personally at the time when I bought the 360 over 3 years ago I genuinely thought that it was offering something unique in the multiplayer front. But I am a gamer at heart and not someone who just follows trends, so I could clearly see that the PS3 is just offering MUCH more than MS has been offering for the past few years. You really can't argue against the fact that MS have been riding on Halo and Gears to sell people shooters, which is the current "hip" thing, while Sony has a library that is far more diverse in genres. Even when you don't consider the games and just the pure service, MS is pretty much charging you $50 for cross game chat and kinect/bing dashboard support. Perhaps you should ask your friends, even if they don't care about the games, do they really feel that paying $50 a year for cross game chat and waving your hands at the dashboard really worth it? Because everyhing else MS has Sony and other platforms offer for free. But unfortunately I don't think any of this will help since they have been brainwashed into thinking MS is great my the media and their friends.

If you are truly a gamer, you should be able to rise above all this fanboy media brainwashing crap and see who is truly offering the best services at the most value price. The truth is evidently clear from that which is deceitful. That said if someone really enjoys MS console for Halo and Gears and they truly don't like the games other platform holders have to offer (unlikely but possible), I have no problems with those people. Them paying MS is fine because they made up their own minds and enjoy what they enjoy.


I totally agree. I really hope next gen is more about actual quality instead of perceived quality, but I doubt it :/



Stinky said:
I'd be interested to find out how PS+ works out financially for both Sony and the publishers who supply back catalogue.


 The money the people pay pays the venture. Of course in the end they lose money but eventually they make large amounts of money. Also there should be no extra fees to them outside of licensing for the titles and giving a cut to the third party. Technically Microsoft could do this with Xbox Live Gold but the chances are extremely high that they wont. The profit they make from that is more than Plus has currently, but the potential for growth with Plus is based off of proven value for gamers.



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J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


The reason why people compare it is because Sony already has a free service comparable to Xbox Live. It's used as a competitive factor because it goes above and beyond for gamers if that make it easier to understand. Its no Valve, but still.



UnitSmiley said:
UltimateUnknown said:
UnitSmiley said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
UltimateUnknown said:

Pretty much what I felt after getting PS3 late this gen. I felt dumb for paying MS for live while everything major it offers is free elsewhere. And MS is not to blame because they are feeding on my stupidity. I truly feel dumb and don't intend to repeat this mistake again next gen.


Thats probably why the COD numbers have grown on the PS3. People have become aware of what they are getting on the PS3 and the availability of COD is still there free from online charges. The veil is dwindling but I dont think it is in the US.


I live in the US and most people I know who are 360 fans don't care about ANYTHING Sony offers. I try to explain that they are missing out on some great experiences with exclusives and that PSN+ is actually a really great service but they literally just don't care. A lot of them are my friends too and we end up getting into arguements all the time. They still use tired and old arguements of "Playstation has no games" or "360 has better online". I show them all the exclusives and they just scoff. I know for a fact they are pretending they don't care since i've shown a few of them trailers/gameplay from certain exclusives and they get super excited. Then I tell them it's a PS3 exclusive and they go straight to hating it. It's kind of ridiculous and actually upsets me since a fair amount of these people are my friends.

I have no idea why their hatred for Sony outweighs their love of videogames. I still feel like  most of the people who prefer the 360 only do so because it's popular atm. The media loves Microsoft and loves to hate Sony, especially at the beginning of the gen. People here still associate Sony with all that negativity from its launch. Which astounds me because if you were a REAL gamer you would realize that things are way different now compared to back then.

I really feel like Microsoft could only make barbie and sesame street games from now on, but as long as the media and microsofts marketing makes people believe they are the best, people would still say 360 > PS3. It's a shame and I wish a lot of those superficial "gamers" would simply leave.

I feel you man. As I said before and although it is harsh, but its just plain simple: MS feeds on the consumer's stupidity of following fads and getting brainwashed into not being able to make up their own minds. Its a problem of people nowadays that wherever the masses go, they think they need to go there to be "hip".

Personally at the time when I bought the 360 over 3 years ago I genuinely thought that it was offering something unique in the multiplayer front. But I am a gamer at heart and not someone who just follows trends, so I could clearly see that the PS3 is just offering MUCH more than MS has been offering for the past few years. You really can't argue against the fact that MS have been riding on Halo and Gears to sell people shooters, which is the current "hip" thing, while Sony has a library that is far more diverse in genres. Even when you don't consider the games and just the pure service, MS is pretty much charging you $50 for cross game chat and kinect/bing dashboard support. Perhaps you should ask your friends, even if they don't care about the games, do they really feel that paying $50 a year for cross game chat and waving your hands at the dashboard really worth it? Because everyhing else MS has Sony and other platforms offer for free. But unfortunately I don't think any of this will help since they have been brainwashed into thinking MS is great my the media and their friends.

If you are truly a gamer, you should be able to rise above all this fanboy media brainwashing crap and see who is truly offering the best services at the most value price. The truth is evidently clear from that which is deceitful. That said if someone really enjoys MS console for Halo and Gears and they truly don't like the games other platform holders have to offer (unlikely but possible), I have no problems with those people. Them paying MS is fine because they made up their own minds and enjoy what they enjoy.


I totally agree. I really hope next gen is more about actual quality instead of perceived quality, but I doubt it :/


If Sony makes it clear to the audience to people that PSN is free and has all the features of live and more people will leave Xbox Live high and dry especially in America where the people are always looking at competing brands with a proper community fused system. This is what Sony needs walking into next gen. They need to do to Microsoft exactly what Microsoft did to them by making them indistinguishable to them at face value and then slap them with features they've been covering up for a while.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


The reason why people compare it is because Sony already has a free service comparable to Xbox Live. It's used as a competitive factor because it goes above and beyond for gamers if that make it easier to understand. Its no Valve, but still.

The reason doesn't make sense or excuse the silliness of the comparison. Live isn't a discount service. PS+ is. PS+ wipes the floor with Live in terms if discounts and freebies. Because it's a discount service. XBL wipes the floor with PS+ as an online gaming service because that's what it is.

The value found in each isn't factual either, it's entirely subjective.



J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


The reason why people compare it is because Sony already has a free service comparable to Xbox Live. It's used as a competitive factor because it goes above and beyond for gamers if that make it easier to understand. Its no Valve, but still.

The reason doesn't make sense or excuse the silliness of the comparison. Live isn't a discount service. PS+ is. PS+ wipes the floor with Live in terms if discounts and freebies. Because it's a discount service. XBL wipes the floor with PS+ as an online gaming service because that's what it is.

The value found in each isn't factual either, it's entirely subjective.


Sony is getting competitive because of Valve and also that they wont justify making people pay just to use their internet (just like Nintendo). Have you seen the sales Sony has been having off of PSN Plus? There are games that are between 30-50% off. You're right about it being subjective, but I don't see how Xbox Live is superior (just my thinking because I do graphic design work). I think Xbox Live is more aesthetically pleasing and has a much better format which gives the illusion of being superior when its just a tesament to how the designers of the Xbox Live program are. Its much better for community organized gaming.



lol what does graphic design work matter.

I don't think aesthetics help me connect to games faster or the myriad of other advantages Live has that have been discussed to death here (here as in this forum, not this particular thread). But whatever floats your boat.

And Sony doesn't give a **** about Valve. They created PS+ as a way to create a subscription based service without pissing off all their fans who were used to not paying for online play. Don't be surprised if online play costs money right off the bat with PS4 but they soften the blow by including PS+. They do that, then XBL is in trouble. But that is assuming MS doesn't also have an ace or two up their sleeve, which I am sure they do.