well i honestly couldn't imagine wht Yamcha would be at this point with Wiiu to Vita selling about the same ww. shall we go back 1 gen. and say GC lol?

OT: so this bad boy is powerful. i guess a $350 console is to much to ask for. i'm content with this if true.

The Wii U hardware is overpriced because the Pad... without it the cost for Nintendo is near $200 (or even less).

yeah well you guys will get way better PS+ games as we discussed earlier so they'll make it up to you

yeah I know that's why I'm crossing my fingers for a basic PS4 controller (that and I love DS).  I only want it bigger, Vita dpad, and triggers which doesn't cost anything extra.  If you ask me they should get rid of sixaxis since no one uses it and they could cut costs since they have Move now.

The parts in the box are prob. around 200$ if bought in large quantiy.. perhaps a bit less. But the pad is a cost-changer.

To be able to have better parts allround, you cannot try and change the game (do something crazy, VR, super screen controler) without geting outside of the price safe-zone.. i wouldn't go for a console that costs me like 400$+ (cause it would mean 400€) thats more than my old car cost me..

I hope that it won't be too expensive and has some unique cool stuff.. so I have a reason for getting one other than "catch em' all"..

The mostly important part that I didn't get in the first time...

The GPU have 18 CUs with 14 used for graphics and 4 used for CPU (GPGPU).

Yup, it is pretty much the same as the Durango leaked specs except for the difference in ram types. These consoles are going to be awesome and will most likely be priced between $400-$499

Well the Durang specs have a weak GPU plus "special sauce".

by the time the PS4 ships 500gb probably will be the smallest hdd size still in manufacturing (atleast as 3.5'' - they might use 2.5'' again though), so it will probably cost Sony only $2-4 more than say a 320 or 250GB