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kitler53 said:
MDMAlliance said:
kitler53 said:
it's perfectly reasonable for additional services?

..and here i thought the $300 spent an a system advertised to have cool features like gamepad support would have been enough of a surcharge. it's not like it's an upgrade to the game you bought, it's an upgrade to the wiiU's OS and when was the last time anyone has charged for OS support?!? nintendo can do whatever they want but the sheer fact they can discount the game means they know you already bought it means it is insulting to make you buy it again even at a reduced cost.

this is just bad business. nintendo's ultra fans make be able to justify this to themselves out of love, most reasonable people will not.


So if I buy hardware, then I'm entitled to all of the hardware's software capabilities for free?  Logic.

it's not about entitlement, it's about consumer expectations.  arguments about free vhs to dvd upgrades are ridiculous, there are obvious and reasonable technical limitations for putting a vhs tape into a disc player.  but when nintendo recreates the services and obviously knows that you already purchased the content but then says "too bad, rebuy the same content again" that's BS.  

if sony launches a services with their recent gaikai acquisition featuring the exact same content i've already purchased on psn but doesn't let me access my content i'd have two words for them, "fuck off".  i didn't have to rebuy my apps across the 3 iphones i've owned.  netflix didn't surcharge me when they created my iphone app, ps3 app, or vita app.  amazon went to far as to give me a digital copy of every CD i every bought from 1998 forward.  

i have higher standards than this from a software service provider.  you should too.


So you believe that although Nintendo spent many resources creating a better version, they shouldn't be paid for the service. That is what the Wii U version is. It has a number of features including a wide support of the controllers, a save state system, off TV Play and configurable controls. If one doesn't want to pay, they can just settle for the Wii version they already have.  Sony's system is simply pure emulation with no enhancements to improve it unless its an actual HD remake. I assume it will be the same if they use Gaikai.  Also, all those examples you stated have a secure database with a login system and require you to login before you can access your content. Nintendo didn't put one in for the Wii. They can't use the club nintendo account since not everyone who bought stuff on Wii shop channel made one before making any purchase and they can't use friend codes since you didn't make a password for it. If on their next console, they fail to do this, then there is some legitimacy  for complaining.



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$7 bucks is too much for a 20 year old game that will only be playable one 1 system.  



kitler53 said:
MDMAlliance said:
kitler53 said:
it's perfectly reasonable for additional services?

..and here i thought the $300 spent an a system advertised to have cool features like gamepad support would have been enough of a surcharge. it's not like it's an upgrade to the game you bought, it's an upgrade to the wiiU's OS and when was the last time anyone has charged for OS support?!? nintendo can do whatever they want but the sheer fact they can discount the game means they know you already bought it means it is insulting to make you buy it again even at a reduced cost.

this is just bad business. nintendo's ultra fans make be able to justify this to themselves out of love, most reasonable people will not.


So if I buy hardware, then I'm entitled to all of the hardware's software capabilities for free?  Logic.

it's not about entitlement, it's about consumer expectations.  arguments about free vhs to dvd upgrades are ridiculous, there are obvious and reasonable technical limitations for putting a vhs tape into a disc player.  but when nintendo recreates the services and obviously knows that you already purchased the content but then says "too bad, rebuy the same content again" that's BS.  

if sony launches a services with their recent gaikai acquisition featuring the exact same content i've already purchased on psn but doesn't let me access my content i'd have two words for them, "fuck off".  i didn't have to rebuy my apps across the 3 iphones i've owned.  netflix didn't surcharge me when they created my iphone app, ps3 app, or vita app.  amazon went to far as to give me a digital copy of every CD i every bought from 1998 forward.  

i have higher standards than this from a software service provider.  you should too.

Most of those comparisons don't make any sense. Gakai and Netflix are subscription based services. They don't charge you for the app, they charge you for the service, which is completely different from buying a digital game. Amazon's deal is a very special case in the digital industry, done specifically to promote their cloud service. Anyone who ever bought one of those CDs technically owns a digital copy anyway, since unlike games, music CDs are incredibly easy to burn into a digital format. It's doubtful Amazon lost any real money on giving many people what they probably already had. And you certainly won't see any hardware manufacturer offer you free digital copies of a physical game or movie you bought.

And furthermore, you aren't rebuying these games. You are buying upgrades. Much like how you didn't have to rebuy any apps or games across three iphones, you don't have to rebuy any of these digital games. You can still play them, free of charge. You just need to pay for the extra development put into upgrading these new games if you want to enjoy new features. Which you don't have to. I certainly don't intend on upgrading anything more then a handful.



ulieq said:

$7 bucks is too much for a 20 year old game that will only be playable one 1 system.  

Completely depends on the game.



You don't like the price for the value you perceive, you don't buy the product. Economics. End of story!



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ulieq said:

$7 bucks is too much for a 20 year old game that will only be playable one 1 system.  

I'd say games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IV are well worth their asking price both in terms of content and how much you'd have to pay if you tracked down an original cartridge.



kitler53 said:
MDMAlliance said:
kitler53 said:
it's perfectly reasonable for additional services?

..and here i thought the $300 spent an a system advertised to have cool features like gamepad support would have been enough of a surcharge. it's not like it's an upgrade to the game you bought, it's an upgrade to the wiiU's OS and when was the last time anyone has charged for OS support?!? nintendo can do whatever they want but the sheer fact they can discount the game means they know you already bought it means it is insulting to make you buy it again even at a reduced cost.

this is just bad business. nintendo's ultra fans make be able to justify this to themselves out of love, most reasonable people will not.


So if I buy hardware, then I'm entitled to all of the hardware's software capabilities for free?  Logic.

it's not about entitlement, it's about consumer expectations.  arguments about free vhs to dvd upgrades are ridiculous, there are obvious and reasonable technical limitations for putting a vhs tape into a disc player.  but when nintendo recreates the services and obviously knows that you already purchased the content but then says "too bad, rebuy the same content again" that's BS.  

if sony launches a services with their recent gaikai acquisition featuring the exact same content i've already purchased on psn but doesn't let me access my content i'd have two words for them, "fuck off".  i didn't have to rebuy my apps across the 3 iphones i've owned.  netflix didn't surcharge me when they created my iphone app, ps3 app, or vita app.  amazon went to far as to give me a digital copy of every CD i every bought from 1998 forward.  

i have higher standards than this from a software service provider.  you should too.

But you wouldn't be buying the game again,  you just have the option to add features to a game you already own. Let me ask you this: when you ported your iPhone apps across the different phones, did those apps get extra features in the process? If so, were those extra features that were not on your old phones free? Because the programmer/business that does that must really, really love giving away free stuff without profit.

I still use a Blackberry, and on it I purchased the Associated Press Stylebook for 2011 for $20. I can delete and redownload the app for free as many times as I want, but if I want the AP Stylebook 2012 or 2013, which are essentially the same thing with some updates and changes, I must pay for the discount price. Should I be upset that I don't automatically get the latest versions for free?



ulieq said:

$7 bucks is too much for a 20 year old game that will only be playable one 1 system.  

Try finding it for less on Ebay or other retailers.



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