Never played those games, so I can't judge them. But if you look at games like CoD or Assassins Creed...I'm pretty sure every shooter from 1997-2005 had a better AI

Sorry, I didn't mean are older games graphics important. I am talking about for next-gen if nearly all the games look like 2010 and later PS3/360 games or better will they matter?

Art style and focus of the gameplay plays largely into graphics.

Some games have gameplay that works perfectly around their technical limitations. Other games make it *blatantly obvious* that they are being limited by their technology, and you wish it was better.

They used to back in the early days, but not anymore. Gameplay is more important to me, although I do appreciate nice visuals in a game. Games of the 32 bit and 64 bit eras have not aged well, and the 128 bit processors couldn't come fast enough in them days. Every console post Sega Dreamcast have not been phenomenal upgrades in graphical quality. Many Dreamcast games still look fantastic even today, and if you get a VGA adapter it can output the games in 480p resolution which is incredible for 1999

ohh please dont pick two of the worst games when it comes to AI!! assassins creed 3's AI was nothing short pf pathatic, i had a lot of trouble with the AI in that game, nothing major but the AI just acted stupid! but trust me in killzone those sons of bitches are smart! they are smart sneaky little basterds those helghast!

No, but im tired of this generation.

Miss Moxxi's Heart Breaker!

And yeah I absolutely love the physics in Borderlands 2, especially the liquids.

They matter for me. Gameplay and fun come first, but good graphics make the experience more immersive. I can't look at a PS1 shooter and feel more in the game than in a modern shooter. The details, enviroment, sound, they are miles ahead of the old games. Of course that, still using shooters as an example, Medal of Honor still is one of my favorite ones, it's an amazing game. But it can't be more immersive than Battlefield 3. The realistic weapons behaviour, sound effects, dust, etc, improves the experience. Videogames always had the objective of becoming equal to the reality (except when trying to use different art styles), so visuals are a key part on the experience.

I wouldn't like to separate people like this, but reading this thread, the guys that are mostly going for graphics are HD twins owners or PC gamers. The guys that come with the "PS2 graphics are good enough" argument are mainly Wii owners, so we are getting a lot of biased opinions here.

I can play older games OK. So I don't see why graphics would be a big factor for me... I like good use of technology more than having the highest end stuff. I can live with lower graphics if the games are well designed, fun to play, etc.

yeah do that, we can play together then (with pezus if he doesn't have to play doctor). it's a lot of fun!