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Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:

I'm sure you all have seen the doom articles about Microsoft these past few days. I think they all reveal that there is a problem within Microsoft in the form of leadership and strategy. Let's look at Xbox. Microsoft has placed all its bets on Kinect on the back-half of this gen and it seems to have payed off(2011 was Xbox 360s peak year). But has Microsoft thought about the long-terms consequences about this decision? How do the core gamers feel when Microsofts new IPs are all for Kinect? I think I speak for most when I say that they are pissed off. Even the casual audience of Kinect doesn't care for these new IPs are shown by the sales figures. People are buying Kinect, they just aren't buying Kinect games.

This is where next-gen comes in. Rumors have shown that the Next Xbox has sacrificed a fair bit of power in favor of Kinect processing and multi-media focus. The success of Kinect on XBox 360 has gone to Microsofts head. It is widely rumored that Kinect 2.0 will be packed-in with every single next-gen Xbox, this drives up the cost of the machine and forced Microsoft to cut corners in order to sell at an acceptable price range. Here is where the mistake is made. How will consumers differentiate the Kinect from Kinect 2.0? Why would they buy another Kinect when the one they already have is sitting there collecting dust? Keep in mind that Kinect 2.0 is packed-in to the Next XBox so as a result Xbox 720 sales will suffer. People won't see the need to upgrade. Their current Xbox and Kinect already have all the important apps such as Netflix and Hulu Plus. Microsoft simply cannot market this machine as a multi-media center and expect people to flock to it.

Microsoft needs to focus on the games, especially new IPs for core gamers. They need to rely less on 3rd parties and Halo. Rumors point to Sony building the PS4 with a focus on games first and everything else second. This, combined with the same price point against the Xbox 720 will lead to Sony being the industry leader once again. Sony and Nintendo are a lot more powerful than Microsoft gives them credit for. Nintendo's focus is on family-friendly gaming and casuals while Sony's is on the core gamer. Microsoft needs to rethink their strategy or they could end up losing both.

1) Casual gamers don't buy as much software as core gamers.

2) Some recent Kinect releases have done well and older games are still selling.

3) As long as core gamers get software they enjoy, they'll be happy. It doesn't have to be 1st party software. Bear in mind the best selling games PS3 and 360 are not new IPs.

4) Arguing about rumors is a complete waste of time.

5) Since Kinect uses the console hardware for resources, the current Kienct could actually perform better on MS's new console. Kinect hacks on the PC are more impressive than what we've seen on the 360.

6) Sony has focused on a lot of games and what do they have to show for it in 2012? A lot of flops. People are primarily buying 3rd party games that aren't exclusives. If MS isn't focused on games than I'm confused why their 2012 lineup was arguably better than Sony and Nintendo.

7) You're under the illusion that MS isn't focused on games, yet you ignore the 360 is a total package. Great games, it has the most streaming services, and it has a low price point. Perhaps you should be giving credit where its due.

1. Just Dance says hi.

2. Such as?

3. It does have to be first party. No sane publisher would release an exclusive title next-gen, unless they are payed a whole lot of money.

4. No one asked you to participate.

5. Pretty sure they're developing a new Kinect and games made for Kinect 2 won't be playable with Kinect 1.

6. You call it a flop, I call it building a fanbase. Not all games can sell millions. Sony exclusives in particular have great legs and you forget that all these "Flops" were released on PSN as well and open up the possibility for Sony to offer them as free PS+ downloads.

7. Microsoft ISN"T focused on games. The last 2 E3 press conferences are proof of that. They are focused on services. They had a great line-up last year with Halo and Forza...but then again they had the same the year before. Where is the variety? Where are the risks? I see them taking risks just not where they should be.



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Raze said:
I see the 720 being 1st or 2nd, Nintendo will find a way to recover before launch and secure either 1st or 2nd. PS4 will come in 3rd, with a smaller market needing a combo system (like Wii owners owning a PS3)combined with a higher price tag as Sony is known for.

Oh look, another person who is opposed to facing the reality that is the low sales of Wii U. In a few years, I'll return to laugh at this post.



Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:

I'm sure you all have seen the doom articles about Microsoft these past few days. I think they all reveal that there is a problem within Microsoft in the form of leadership and strategy. Let's look at Xbox. Microsoft has placed all its bets on Kinect on the back-half of this gen and it seems to have payed off(2011 was Xbox 360s peak year). But has Microsoft thought about the long-terms consequences about this decision? How do the core gamers feel when Microsofts new IPs are all for Kinect? I think I speak for most when I say that they are pissed off. Even the casual audience of Kinect doesn't care for these new IPs are shown by the sales figures. People are buying Kinect, they just aren't buying Kinect games.

This is where next-gen comes in. Rumors have shown that the Next Xbox has sacrificed a fair bit of power in favor of Kinect processing and multi-media focus. The success of Kinect on XBox 360 has gone to Microsofts head. It is widely rumored that Kinect 2.0 will be packed-in with every single next-gen Xbox, this drives up the cost of the machine and forced Microsoft to cut corners in order to sell at an acceptable price range. Here is where the mistake is made. How will consumers differentiate the Kinect from Kinect 2.0? Why would they buy another Kinect when the one they already have is sitting there collecting dust? Keep in mind that Kinect 2.0 is packed-in to the Next XBox so as a result Xbox 720 sales will suffer. People won't see the need to upgrade. Their current Xbox and Kinect already have all the important apps such as Netflix and Hulu Plus. Microsoft simply cannot market this machine as a multi-media center and expect people to flock to it.

Microsoft needs to focus on the games, especially new IPs for core gamers. They need to rely less on 3rd parties and Halo. Rumors point to Sony building the PS4 with a focus on games first and everything else second. This, combined with the same price point against the Xbox 720 will lead to Sony being the industry leader once again. Sony and Nintendo are a lot more powerful than Microsoft gives them credit for. Nintendo's focus is on family-friendly gaming and casuals while Sony's is on the core gamer. Microsoft needs to rethink their strategy or they could end up losing both.

1) Casual gamers don't buy as much software as core gamers.

2) Some recent Kinect releases have done well and older games are still selling.

3) As long as core gamers get software they enjoy, they'll be happy. It doesn't have to be 1st party software. Bear in mind the best selling games PS3 and 360 are not new IPs.

4) Arguing about rumors is a complete waste of time.

5) Since Kinect uses the console hardware for resources, the current Kienct could actually perform better on MS's new console. Kinect hacks on the PC are more impressive than what we've seen on the 360.

6) Sony has focused on a lot of games and what do they have to show for it in 2012? A lot of flops. People are primarily buying 3rd party games that aren't exclusives. If MS isn't focused on games than I'm confused why their 2012 lineup was arguably better than Sony and Nintendo.

7) You're under the illusion that MS isn't focused on games, yet you ignore the 360 is a total package. Great games, it has the most streaming services, and it has a low price point. Perhaps you should be giving credit where its due.

 

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I think they will come first place or maybe a close second, seeing that WiiU won't be nearly as huge as the Wii and the playstation brand is a lot smaller than it was back in 2006.



    

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VGKing said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:

I'm sure you all have seen the doom articles about Microsoft these past few days. I think they all reveal that there is a problem within Microsoft in the form of leadership and strategy. Let's look at Xbox. Microsoft has placed all its bets on Kinect on the back-half of this gen and it seems to have payed off(2011 was Xbox 360s peak year). But has Microsoft thought about the long-terms consequences about this decision? How do the core gamers feel when Microsofts new IPs are all for Kinect? I think I speak for most when I say that they are pissed off. Even the casual audience of Kinect doesn't care for these new IPs are shown by the sales figures. People are buying Kinect, they just aren't buying Kinect games.

This is where next-gen comes in. Rumors have shown that the Next Xbox has sacrificed a fair bit of power in favor of Kinect processing and multi-media focus. The success of Kinect on XBox 360 has gone to Microsofts head. It is widely rumored that Kinect 2.0 will be packed-in with every single next-gen Xbox, this drives up the cost of the machine and forced Microsoft to cut corners in order to sell at an acceptable price range. Here is where the mistake is made. How will consumers differentiate the Kinect from Kinect 2.0? Why would they buy another Kinect when the one they already have is sitting there collecting dust? Keep in mind that Kinect 2.0 is packed-in to the Next XBox so as a result Xbox 720 sales will suffer. People won't see the need to upgrade. Their current Xbox and Kinect already have all the important apps such as Netflix and Hulu Plus. Microsoft simply cannot market this machine as a multi-media center and expect people to flock to it.

Microsoft needs to focus on the games, especially new IPs for core gamers. They need to rely less on 3rd parties and Halo. Rumors point to Sony building the PS4 with a focus on games first and everything else second. This, combined with the same price point against the Xbox 720 will lead to Sony being the industry leader once again. Sony and Nintendo are a lot more powerful than Microsoft gives them credit for. Nintendo's focus is on family-friendly gaming and casuals while Sony's is on the core gamer. Microsoft needs to rethink their strategy or they could end up losing both.

1) Casual gamers don't buy as much software as core gamers.

2) Some recent Kinect releases have done well and older games are still selling.

3) As long as core gamers get software they enjoy, they'll be happy. It doesn't have to be 1st party software. Bear in mind the best selling games PS3 and 360 are not new IPs.

4) Arguing about rumors is a complete waste of time.

5) Since Kinect uses the console hardware for resources, the current Kienct could actually perform better on MS's new console. Kinect hacks on the PC are more impressive than what we've seen on the 360.

6) Sony has focused on a lot of games and what do they have to show for it in 2012? A lot of flops. People are primarily buying 3rd party games that aren't exclusives. If MS isn't focused on games than I'm confused why their 2012 lineup was arguably better than Sony and Nintendo.

7) You're under the illusion that MS isn't focused on games, yet you ignore the 360 is a total package. Great games, it has the most streaming services, and it has a low price point. Perhaps you should be giving credit where its due.

1. Just Dance says hi.

2. Such as?

3. It does have to be first party. No sane publisher would release an exclusive title next-gen, unless they are payed a whole lot of money.

4. No one asked you to participate.

5. Pretty sure they're developing a new Kinect and games made for Kinect 2 won't be playable with Kinect 1.

6. You call it a flop, I call it building a fanbase. Not all games can sell millions. Sony exclusives in particular have great legs and you forget that all these "Flops" were released on PSN as well and open up the possibility for Sony to offer them as free PS+ downloads.

7. Microsoft ISN"T focused on games. The last 2 E3 press conferences are proof of that. They are focused on services. They had a great line-up last year with Halo and Forza...but then again they had the same the year before. Where is the variety? Where are the risks? I see them taking risks just not where they should be.

No, its a flop. Making games for the sake of making games may please you, but the majority of PS3 gamers yawn (by not buying them). I think that thought rocks you to the core so you pretend its all "diGitalZ sales!!". PS3 gamers are notorious for not caring about digital as much as 360 gamers do. Minecrfat sells 5 million yet Journey can't even break 1 million. Cmon.

MS is focused on many things. Why does it have to be 100/0 ratios with you people? Games are always a necessity, but now MS is expanding in the media hub and casual sector as well. Thing is, when your successful, you exand.

You just tell me your selfish, that you want your console to cater to you and only you. Other demographics are beneath you. As long as you get your fix, no matter how badly most of their games sell, as long as YOUR happy right? Ill never understand a PS fan.



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sales2099 said:

No, its a flop. Making games for the sake of making games may please you, but the majority of PS3 gamers yawn (by not buying them). I think that thought rocks you to the core so you pretend its all "diGitalZ sales!!". PS3 gamers are notorious for not caring about digital as much as 360 gamers do. Minecrfat sells 5 million yet Journey can't even break 1 million. Cmon.

MS is focused on many things. Why does it have to be 100/0 ratios with you people? Games are always a necessity, but now MS is expanding in the media hub and casual sector as well. Thing is, when your successful, you exand.

You just tell me your selfish, that you want your console to cater to you and only you. Other demographics are beneath you. As long as you get your fix, no matter how badly most of their games sell, as long as YOUR happy right? Ill never understand a PS fan.

Minecraft had been huge on PC for YEARS prior to releasing a version on the Xbox 360. Comparing it to Journey is completely inane. Then again, you aren't one to know what a rational argument looks like.



Cyrus_ATX said:
LOL.....no


Lol......Yes



dsgrue3 said:
1st or 2nd, only option for MS. Wii U is already destined for 3rd place.


Way too early to assume that. Even though Wii U is off to a sluggish start, so were the PS3 and even 360, and 3DS to an extent. Things can change in a hurry from the right games. If anything, I actually think Wii U will get 1st, thanks mainly to the year + head start, in addition to games like Zelda, SSB, Mario Kart, Wii Fit, NSMB, etc. Will be a much slimmer lead though I think.

Sony will get third IMO. Just looking at the trends, The PS brand has gone downhill and lost significant marketshare while MS has gained a lot of ground since the original Xbox. I see no reason for those trends to reverse.



The WiiU will be last, M$ second and ps4 first.



Metallicube said:
dsgrue3 said:
1st or 2nd, only option for MS. Wii U is already destined for 3rd place.


Way too early to assume that. Even though Wii U is off to a sluggish start, so were the PS3 and even 360, and 3DS to an extent. Things can change in a hurry from the right games. If anything, I actually think Wii U will get 1st, thanks mainly to the year + head start, in addition to games like Zelda, SSB, Mario Kart, Wii Fit, NSMB, etc. Will be a much slimmer lead though I think.

Sony will get third IMO. Just looking at the trends, The PS brand has gone downhill and lost significant marketshare while MS has gained a lot of ground since the original Xbox. I see no reason for those trends to reverse.

If "last gen" proved anything, it's that generations are highly volatile. Prepare for disappointment. All I'll say on the matter.