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theRepublic on 17 January 2013
noname2200 said:
RolStoppable said:


There is a common problem between the 3DS and Wii U: Nintendo invested in technology that consumers do not value (stereoscopic 3D and Gamepad). The hardware prices went up completely unnecessary. Is this is a problem that could be fixed with a good operating system and multimedia applications? Of course not. It's all about the games and dropping the price of the hardware to an acceptable level.

Not only do I agree with these points in particular, I'd argue that the 3D and Gamepad are additionally harmful to their respective systems because those two, largely-unvalued qualities are also the same ones that Nintendo is pushing (or had pushed, in case of 3D) as the system's core strength. In other words, not only did this unnecessarily jack up the price, it also turned off people who saw these as the systems' central features and unsurprisingly responded with indifference to the hardware as a whole.

Is there really so much hate out there for the Gamepad?  That is the whole reason I am excited about the Wii U.  What is there to hate?  At its core, it is still a traditional controller.



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the_dengle on 17 January 2013

Your 3DS sales analysis is laughable at best. I hope you have the good grace to feel silly about it this time next year. The 3DS's 'stalling' YOY sales are the result of three things, and only three things.

The first thing is software. Of course the 3DS sold better last Nov/Dec than it did this past Holiday season. Do you see the difference in releases?? In 2011 the console got a new 3D Mario (first ever original one on a handheld), a new Mario Kart, and the first ever Monster Hunter on a Nintendo handheld. This year it got... Paper Mario, Professor Layton... Animal Crossing in Japan helped it just about keep pace in that region alone, but Europe and America didn't stand a chance.

The second thing is software. It's VERY telling that Nintendo's biggest release last year across all platforms was a DS game. Not a 3DS game... a DS game. The DS was an absolute powerhouse, right to the end. And you can rest assured that it is now finally, mercifully, the end. The 3DS's biggest competition last year was its predecessor. It won't have that problem this year.

The final thing is (surprise, surprise!) software. Notice that both of the previous two issues the 3DS had last year are already put to rest for this year. Don't worry about Nintendo having a Holiday release that can drive console sales: Pokémon is coming. Don't worry about the 3DS being upstaged by another console in the software department: Pokémon is coming.

It only takes a glance at the 3DS's software lineup for 2013 to see that the console is going to do quite well this year... very well, in fact.

But I'm sure right after hitting 50 million LTD sales in under 3 years, the platform will immediately divebomb into doom territory, eh?



Otakumegane on 17 January 2013
the_dengle said:

Your 3DS sales analysis is laughable at best. I hope you have the good grace to feel silly about it this time next year. The 3DS's 'stalling' YOY sales are the result of three things, and only three things.

The first thing is software. Of course the 3DS sold better last Nov/Dec than it did this past Holiday season. Do you see the difference in releases?? In 2011 the console got a new 3D Mario (first ever original one on a handheld), a new Mario Kart, and the first ever Monster Hunter on a Nintendo handheld. This year it got... Paper Mario, Professor Layton... Animal Crossing in Japan helped it just about keep pace in that region alone, but Europe and America didn't stand a chance.

The second thing is software. It's VERY telling that Nintendo's biggest release last year across all platforms was a DS game. Not a 3DS game... a DS game. The DS was an absolute powerhouse, right to the end. And you can rest assured that it is now finally, mercifully, the end. The 3DS's biggest competition last year was its predecessor. It won't have that problem this year.

The final thing is (surprise, surprise!) software. Notice that both of the previous two issues the 3DS had last year are already put to rest for this year. Don't worry about Nintendo having a Holiday release that can drive console sales: Pokémon is coming. Don't worry about the 3DS being upstaged by another console in the software department: Pokémon is coming.

It only takes a glance at the 3DS's software lineup for 2013 to see that the console is going to do quite well this year... very well, in fact.

But I'm sure right after hitting 50 million LTD sales in under 3 years, the platform will immediately divebomb into doom territory, eh?

I love how you stress that Pokemon is coming but I agree, the only thing I had to look forward to was Paper Mario and I didn't even buy that. 

This Pokemon should be huge. The hype is just insane.



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ToraTiger on 17 January 2013
the_dengle said:

 

But I'm sure right after hitting 50 million LTD sales in under 3 years, the platform will immediately divebomb into doom territory, eh?


I think 50 million is stretching it a bit.  Maybe 40?



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the_dengle on 17 January 2013
ToraTiger said:


I think 50 million is stretching it a bit.  Maybe 40?

I didn't say it had to be at 50 mil before the end of 2013, just under 3 years after its launch... so before the end of Feb 2014. ;)



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ToraTiger on 17 January 2013

Oh, I agree.  I know I'll be buying one this year and probably both Pokemon X and Y.  XD



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Vinniegambini on 17 January 2013
the_dengle said:

Your 3DS sales analysis is laughable at best. I hope you have the good grace to feel silly about it this time next year. The 3DS's 'stalling' YOY sales are the result of three things, and only three things.

The first thing is software. Of course the 3DS sold better last Nov/Dec than it did this past Holiday season. Do you see the difference in releases?? In 2011 the console got a new 3D Mario (first ever original one on a handheld), a new Mario Kart, and the first ever Monster Hunter on a Nintendo handheld. This year it got... Paper Mario, Professor Layton... Animal Crossing in Japan helped it just about keep pace in that region alone, but Europe and America didn't stand a chance.

The second thing is software. It's VERY telling that Nintendo's biggest release last year across all platforms was a DS game. Not a 3DS game... a DS game. The DS was an absolute powerhouse, right to the end. And you can rest assured that it is now finally, mercifully, the end. The 3DS's biggest competition last year was its predecessor. It won't have that problem this year.

The final thing is (surprise, surprise!) software. Notice that both of the previous two issues the 3DS had last year are already put to rest for this year. Don't worry about Nintendo having a Holiday release that can drive console sales: Pokémon is coming. Don't worry about the 3DS being upstaged by another console in the software department: Pokémon is coming.

It only takes a glance at the 3DS's software lineup for 2013 to see that the console is going to do quite well this year... very well, in fact.

But I'm sure right after hitting 50 million LTD sales in under 3 years, the platform will immediately divebomb into doom territory, eh?

Preach baby preach! I'm a bit more conservative with 49.99 by March 2014 ;)



the_dengle on 17 January 2013
ToraTiger said:

Oh, I agree.  I know I'll be buying one this year and probably both Pokemon X and Y.  XD

And that's the Pokémon effect. It's the reason I stress the importance of that franchise so much -- those games are what make Nintendo's handhelds go from "I'll get one eventually" to "I NEED THAT RIGHT NOW."

I mean, the DS got New Super Mario Bros. in early-ish 2006 in all three main regions. The console sold over 5 mil hardware in America, over 6 mil in Europe that year. The 360 didn't break 5 mil in America (its strongest market) until 2010, 5 years after launch; the PS3 never broke 6 mil in Europe, its strongest market. Those are great figures. How could the DS possibly one-up itself?

With Pokémon, of course! Diamond & Pearl, the first main-series Pokémon games for DS, released in America and Europe in 2007. The DS sold over 8.7 million units in America in 2007 and over 10.7 million in Europe, for increases of 73% and 78% YOY respectively. HOT DAMN.

That's the Pokémon effect.

(for the record, a 70% increase in America & Europe YOY with a smaller increase in Japan would plant the 3DS well over 20 million hardware sales for 2013.)



AstroMaSSi on 17 January 2013

3DS has really good sales and will increase the performance in 2013. Regarding Wii U, we'll see, but I expect a stong sales increase end of 2013.



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maverick40 on 17 January 2013

Some great info here, cheers.