fordy said:
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I'm sure you think that is some kind of killer jab, but I'm honestly not recognising your twisting of my works this time.
fordy said:
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I'm sure you think that is some kind of killer jab, but I'm honestly not recognising your twisting of my works this time.
kain_kusanagi said:
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No, I'm interested to know.
Polls are generally driven by people who are passionate, who want to know that their opinion is one that lots of others agree with. It's the same with Capitalism. It provides incentive to do such things. you wouldn't say Capitalism doesn't work cos it involves getting off your ass to work, would you?
You might disagree with polls, or how polls are done, but when done correctly, they provide useful insight into public opinion.
Mr Khan said:
I'm suggesting that the studies likewise suggest that it doesn't matter what kind of gun you have, so long as you are armed, so why do we need these weapons that are only good for war and rebellion? |
please tell me what war was ever fought with an Ar-15.
I am a gun owner, have my CCW and I agree with the majority of what the president has proposed so far. I do not agree with the way he is handling it.
With my CCW I can purchase any gun I want (legal ones of course, the CCW is primarily for Hand Guns) as it serves as my background check. I went through the class, took the test (both written and firing range) and went through the rather long waiting process / background check. I do not see any problem with this being required for all guns at some point.
As far as the selling of guns are concerned, its different State by State. In NC (the only state btw, that allows 100% reciprocity on CCWs) you are still required to have a PPP (pistol purchasing permit or CCW) to buy or acquire a Handgun, including gifts. I see no problem with doing something similar with "Assault" type weapons. You already have to go through training to get a Hunting License, why not extend that training to include a permit for Shotguns/Rifles?
All states have differing laws on how they handle fire-arms and I see no problem with it staying that way.
bouzane said: @Torillian That sounds like a sensible alternative which would, depending upon the details, do little to harm individual liberty. However, I do not simply support or oppose laws and regulations based upon whether or not I think they will be effective. I would require unbiased, scientific studies to definitively demonstrate that this would indeed prove to effectively prevent such crimes. |
That seems unlikely to happen before it's passed since not every possibility can be researched. In the absence of obvious evidence you have to go with what you think will help, and that's something I think would have helped this particular situation.
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fordy said:
No, I'm interested to know. Polls are generally driven by people who are passionate, who want to know that their opinion is one that lots of others agree with. It's the same with Capitalism. It provides incentive to do such things. you wouldn't say Capitalism doesn't work cos it involves getting off your ass to work, would you? You might disagree with polls, or how polls are done, but when done correctly, they provide useful insight into public opinion. |
Useful insight into idiot-didn't-hang-up opinion maybe.
I vote. I always vote. I don't make my vote public because I have the right to vote anonymously. Polls have nothing to do with voting other than the media makes it out to be 1:1. Exit polls are a lot more accurate though, but that is beside the point. Capitalism also has nothing to do with idiots who give idiot answers to trick questions so pollsters can hand data to special interest groups to use in political warfare.
killerzX said:
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Interesting you asked that, since the argument people make to keep such weapons is to fight a war against a tyrannical government.
killerzX said:
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He probably thinks that the AR-15 = M16/M4. People who don't know tend to get the scary black guns mixed up.
fordy said:
Interesting you asked that, since the argument people make to keep such weapons is to fight a war against a tyrannical government. |
Nothing like a good old strawman to devert the entire meaning of a discussion. Good job.
killerzX said: please tell me what war was ever fought with an Ar-15. |
Okay, fair point. But there is no need to have such scary looking weapons. It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban. Haven't flash suppressors and bayonet mounts taken enough innocent lives?