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fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Ckmlb1 said:
JoeTheBro said:

About 70% of America is strongly against these gun laws, we will not let it pass!

Wrong! 6 in 10 Americans support tougher gun laws. 


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564252-10391739/poll-6-in-10-favor-tougher-gun-laws/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/cnn-poll-majority-approve-of-obama-biden-in-advance-of-gun-control-announcement/

Anyone too dumb to hang up on an interupting polster doesn't represent the common sense of general public. I say no thanks to every poll phone call and ask to never be called again. Excuse me if I don't trust the stats collected from who too stupid or loney to hang up.

If you don't want your voice to be heard, whose fault is that?

It's like saying "I didn't vote, but the results are not a clear representation of what we all wanted".

No, it's like voting and while leaving refusing to tell the polster how you voted.

I will call my represetives and tell them how I feel, but I'm not going to talk to a stranger on a phone with an agenda and trick questions.

Well if you admit to NOT taking the poll and then complaining if the polls go against your opinion, then all I can say is, sad day for you. 


No. I'm not complaining. I don't pay attention to any polls for the reason I have explained to you. You will never find me quoting any poll's data for any reason except to point out that people are stupid. If on any day you answer the phone and waste your time giving answeres to those who spin, then all I can say is, sad day for you.

I'll answer any poll that I find worthy of an answer. Otherwise, polls I don't answer in don't bother me with the outcome. However, you seemed to be bothered with the outcome of that poll, and not the one above it for some reason, almost like you have some kind of agenda.

Care to explain?


All I did was comment on the polls, all the polls. I didn't single out any of the polls above my comment. You assigned agenda where you think you saw it. I was mearly saying that polls collect data from the stupid and lonely. If you want to waste your time participating in such a pointless endever feel free. Polls mean nothing, that was my "agenda".



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killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:

Because i fundamentally don't see why you think what you're doing is safety. You say "safety," i see "threat."

you see the need to control people take away peoples rights make  people less safe. i see the need to protect myself from said things.

but if you are so threatened by lawful gun owners, im sure you wouldnt mind putting a sign in your front yard stating you are gun free. you know, so we can know you arent a threat.

facts be damned, if it makes progressive anti-constitutionalists happy, do it!

As far as studies go, what seems to work in your favor is that: home invasions are reduced if its possible the occupant is armed, and that being armed in the face of a robbery helps to deter the robber.

The need to win a firefight and these abhorrent "stand your ground" laws are not really supported by much of anything. You shouldn't be wanting to win a firefight, because that means killing someone, which you shouldn't want to do. All you should want is to stop them.

There may be a need to have weapons (or something that looks like a weapon), but the need to really use them is really vaguely defined.



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bouzane said:
Torillian said:
bouzane said:


The thing is though, it really is that simple. Gun control only stops the stupid lunatics. The determined ones will find a way no matter how many laws and regulations you implement. The items that I listed are all that you need to create a powerful explosive, in fact, you don't even need all of those items. Additionally, what's suspicious about the things in that list? They are all extremely benign and even if they were not, there are even more innocuous alternatives. Again, it is literally impossible to stop an explosives expert.


What's so bad about stopping the stupid lunatics?  I'm all for it.  

 

You have to violate Constitutional freedoms and advance a large, obtrusive government to do so. Creating a police state is not a price worth paying, especially considering the fact that it is inherently anti-American as the founding fathers would never have supported doing so. Additionally, I should have stated that you MIGHT stop SOME OF the stupid lunatics, there are no guarantees that this would be effective in any way shape or form. Also, additional gun control serves as a lucrative business opportunity to gun traffickers and other organized criminals.

Just out of curiosity, what's your stance on drug legalisation?



__XBrawlX__ said:
Why is this thread not locked already? Reported for obvious flaming/ trolling.

Nobody's done anything banworthy in here... yet. Yes, the OP was plainly ridiculous, but we're not here to stop ridiculousness (unless it's spam.)



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bouzane said:
Torillian said:
bouzane said:


The thing is though, it really is that simple. Gun control only stops the stupid lunatics. The determined ones will find a way no matter how many laws and regulations you implement. The items that I listed are all that you need to create a powerful explosive, in fact, you don't even need all of those items. Additionally, what's suspicious about the things in that list? They are all extremely benign and even if they were not, there are even more innocuous alternatives. Again, it is literally impossible to stop an explosives expert.


What's so bad about stopping the stupid lunatics?  I'm all for it.  

 

You have to violate Constitutional freedoms and advance a large, obtrusive government to do so. Creating a police state is not a price worth paying, especially considering the fact that it is inherently anti-American as the founding fathers would never have supported doing so. Additionally, I should have stated that you MIGHT stop SOME OF the stupid lunatics, there are no guarantees that this would be effective in any way shape or form. Also, additional gun control serves as a lucrative business opportunity to gun traffickers and other organized criminals.


Criminals will do what criminals will do, but what these bills are trying to decrease in my mind are the shootings such as the Sandy Hook one where a mentally unstable kid killed his mom and then took her guns to shoot up the school she taught at.  Not a criminal mastermind who had been planning things for months, just some idiot kid who (I'd hope) didn't truly appreciate what he was doing.  

Would you be ok with stricter rules on where guns are kept and how you keep them?  Because it seems like the mother should not have kept that many guns with ammo in the reach of a mentally unstable relative.  That's the kind of thing I'd really like to see passed, though what exactly it would entail is hard to say.  



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bouzane said:
MDMAlliance said:
bouzane said:
MDMAlliance said:
bouzane said: Finally, even if you could push a magick button and erase all firearms from existance then guess what, people could simply result to using explosives instead. You can level a building and kill hundreds of people with little more than common household items if you so desired. You can create effective explosives with corn starch, yes you read that right, scorn starch! Stop handing over your rights to the obtrusive nanny-state and stop granting them more power and control.


I'm not going to respond to your initial point as I already know CRIMINALS can get around it easily regardless.  

But this point, I would like to say that you DO get tracked if you buy certain items that can be used to make a bomb.  If you were to try and make a bomb yourself, you would find that it is more difficult to get away with making a bomb to blow stuff up than to get a gun and shoot people.


I get tracked whenever I purchase corn starch, electrical cables, springs, particle board and AA batteries?


The government looks at the stuff you buy if it's suspicious.  They would watch you, so it wont exactly be something you can easily do.  If it were so easy, it would  be a much cheaper alternative to buying assault weapons to kill groups of people.


The thing is though, it really is that simple. Gun control only stops the stupid lunatics. The determined ones will find a way no matter how many laws and regulations you implement. The items that I listed are all that you need to create a powerful explosive, in fact, you don't even need all of those items. Additionally, what's suspicious about the things in that list? They are all extremely benign and even if they were not, there are even more innocuous alternatives. Again, it is literally impossible to stop an explosives expert.


The government can track what you buy, and if a certain combination of things you buy can be used to make an explosive, they will watch you.  They may even arrest you for suspicion.  Don't underestimate their ability to find out things like this.  



kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Ckmlb1 said:
JoeTheBro said:

About 70% of America is strongly against these gun laws, we will not let it pass!

Wrong! 6 in 10 Americans support tougher gun laws. 


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564252-10391739/poll-6-in-10-favor-tougher-gun-laws/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/cnn-poll-majority-approve-of-obama-biden-in-advance-of-gun-control-announcement/

Anyone too dumb to hang up on an interupting polster doesn't represent the common sense of general public. I say no thanks to every poll phone call and ask to never be called again. Excuse me if I don't trust the stats collected from who too stupid or loney to hang up.

If you don't want your voice to be heard, whose fault is that?

It's like saying "I didn't vote, but the results are not a clear representation of what we all wanted".

No, it's like voting and while leaving refusing to tell the polster how you voted.

I will call my represetives and tell them how I feel, but I'm not going to talk to a stranger on a phone with an agenda and trick questions.

Well if you admit to NOT taking the poll and then complaining if the polls go against your opinion, then all I can say is, sad day for you. 


No. I'm not complaining. I don't pay attention to any polls for the reason I have explained to you. You will never find me quoting any poll's data for any reason except to point out that people are stupid. If on any day you answer the phone and waste your time giving answeres to those who spin, then all I can say is, sad day for you.

I'll answer any poll that I find worthy of an answer. Otherwise, polls I don't answer in don't bother me with the outcome. However, you seemed to be bothered with the outcome of that poll, and not the one above it for some reason, almost like you have some kind of agenda.

Care to explain?


All I did was comment on the polls, all the polls. I didn't single out any of the polls above my comment. You assigned agenda where you think you saw it. I was mearly saying that polls collect data from the stupid and lonely. If you want to waste your time participating in such a pointless endever feel free. Polls mean nothing, that was my "agenda".

Except you would have stepped in with that argument with the FIRST poll given (ie, the one supporting your argument), and not the last poll, to make it look like you're arguing the counterdata and not the initial data.



Mr Khan said:
__XBrawlX__ said:
Why is this thread not locked already? Reported for obvious flaming/ trolling.

Nobody's done anything banworthy in here... yet. Yes, the OP was plainly ridiculous, but we're not here to stop ridiculousness (unless it's spam.)


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fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
fordy said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Ckmlb1 said:
JoeTheBro said:

About 70% of America is strongly against these gun laws, we will not let it pass!

Wrong! 6 in 10 Americans support tougher gun laws. 


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564252-10391739/poll-6-in-10-favor-tougher-gun-laws/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/cnn-poll-majority-approve-of-obama-biden-in-advance-of-gun-control-announcement/

Anyone too dumb to hang up on an interupting polster doesn't represent the common sense of general public. I say no thanks to every poll phone call and ask to never be called again. Excuse me if I don't trust the stats collected from who too stupid or loney to hang up.

If you don't want your voice to be heard, whose fault is that?

It's like saying "I didn't vote, but the results are not a clear representation of what we all wanted".

No, it's like voting and while leaving refusing to tell the polster how you voted.

I will call my represetives and tell them how I feel, but I'm not going to talk to a stranger on a phone with an agenda and trick questions.

Well if you admit to NOT taking the poll and then complaining if the polls go against your opinion, then all I can say is, sad day for you. 


No. I'm not complaining. I don't pay attention to any polls for the reason I have explained to you. You will never find me quoting any poll's data for any reason except to point out that people are stupid. If on any day you answer the phone and waste your time giving answeres to those who spin, then all I can say is, sad day for you.

I'll answer any poll that I find worthy of an answer. Otherwise, polls I don't answer in don't bother me with the outcome. However, you seemed to be bothered with the outcome of that poll, and not the one above it for some reason, almost like you have some kind of agenda.

Care to explain?


All I did was comment on the polls, all the polls. I didn't single out any of the polls above my comment. You assigned agenda where you think you saw it. I was mearly saying that polls collect data from the stupid and lonely. If you want to waste your time participating in such a pointless endever feel free. Polls mean nothing, that was my "agenda".

Except you would have stepped in with that argument with the FIRST poll given (ie, the one supporting your argument), and not the last poll, to make it look like you're arguing the counterdata and not the initial data.

Excuse me for not hitting F5 all day to jump on every quote of a poll's data. I responded to a discussion between polls. You are the one that made the assumptions.



kain_kusanagi said:

Excuse me for not hitting F5 all day to jump on every quote of a poll's data. I responded to a discussion between polls. You are the one that made the assumptions.

I'm just saying, the approach you took looked like an incredibly partisan attempt of "well that path doesn't work. Let's destroy it"

That being said, would you have said anything about the initial post had the reply not come through to counteract it? Would some evidence in other threads show the contrary at all?