By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sales - Global UP! 12th January (updated with front page numbers)

Those numbers are pathetic! I really hope they aren't true for any of the consoles.

(Minus 3DS, maybe.)



Around the Network
Soleron said:
Mummelmann said:
...

This is pretty much common information for most people in here, Nintendo themselves have stated that they are dependent on selling one piece of software with every unit to be profitable overall. Hwardware sold at a small loss (how small is hard to say but a 100$ price cut would make a 20$ loss truly massive at 120$, or about 50% of the retail price).

It got revised to "more than one".


Well, damn. That must be a fairly big loss then and at only 50$ below the 360 launch price.

I find it strange that people are downplaying the hardware loss like they are for a few reasons;

1: Nintendo depend solely on their gaming income, its their only business venture and provides all their revenue (and incurrs all loses).

2: They haven't really gotten a very good hardware package for their buck, the gamepad must be pricy to produce indeed. This could prove a very dire decision since it appears that the gamepad isn't firing people up much at all and certainly nothing like the Wii-mote.

3: Sony were lashed for the longest time for selling a console at a loss, it was deemed disastrous and a stupid company move (which, to be honest, it was).

4: The hardware appears to be moving a lot slower than Nintendo themselves have projected, this gives them a huge problem since they have little to no wiggle room with pricing and have a cloudy release slate for most of 2013.

5: They are competing directly with the current generation of consoles and will also be competing with the next generation, a historically unique position for a console to be in and likely not one to count towards Nintendo's favor. The 360 and PS3 appear to be absolute steals when the three are juxtaposed by consumers.

Overall, like I've been saying since long before the Wii U launched; Nintendo are not in a very good position now and need to put all their effort into staying relevant globally. They stand a very real chance of becoming an obscurity in Europe, being dominated by a Microsoft console in the Americas and being slapped by handhelds and tablet/phone games in the East. They also betrayed their followers by going directly against their own sentiments from only a couple of years back (will continue software support for the Wii, will live for at least as long as the PS360 etc). Now, this is not a doom prophecy but it should be crystal clear to anyone with half a mind towards observation and business that they need to do something quite soon.



ninjablade said:
nintendo is gonna have to slash the price by a 100$, if that doesn't work its pretty much over for them this gen.

They won't slash the price by 100$ so soon, that would be ludicrous. I could see getting rid of the Basic model and dropping the Deluxe down 50$. That's all they really need to do.

And it wouldn't be over for them, 3DS is going strong.



pezus said:
A $50/50 Euro E3 price cut or a pre-E3 cut has to happen. If not, all attention will shift towards Sony and MS's next consoles.

I doubt Nintendo would want that to happen. Some type of card will be played by Nintendo before the release of MS/Sony's new consoles.



Mummelmann said:

...


Well, damn. That must be a fairly big loss then and at only 50$ below the 360 launch price.

I find it strange that people are downplaying the hardware loss like they are for a few reasons;

1: Nintendo depend solely on their gaming income, its their only business venture and provides all their revenue (and incurrs all loses).

2: They haven't really gotten a very good hardware package for their buck, the gamepad must be pricy to produce indeed. This could prove a very dire decision since it appears that the gamepad isn't firing people up much at all and certainly nothing like the Wii-mote.

Raw material cost for Gamepad must be $100+, which is the kind of figure I expected Iwata to reject or save for next gen.

3: Sony were lashed for the longest time for selling a console at a loss, it was deemed disastrous and a stupid company move (which, to be honest, it was).

4: The hardware appears to be moving a lot slower than Nintendo themselves have projected, this gives them a huge problem since they have little to no wiggle room with pricing and have a cloudy release slate for most of 2013.

I don't know what they expected. Iwata explicitly said the 3DS problem of no early software was fixed for Wii U. I think they assumed 2D Mario would just sell millions regardless, and that Nintendo Land would be Wii Sports.

5: They are competing directly with the current generation of consoles and will also be competing with the next generation, a historically unique position for a console to be in and likely not one to count towards Nintendo's favor. The 360 and PS3 appear to be absolute steals when the three are juxtaposed by consumers.

Nintendo deliberately aimed for a crowded market with two established players, but without understanding what that market wanted (on the online side, and that people wouldn't wait two weeks for CoD).

Overall, like I've been saying since long before the Wii U launched; Nintendo are not in a very good position now and need to put all their effort into staying relevant globally. They stand a very real chance of becoming an obscurity in Europe, being dominated by a Microsoft console in the Americas and being slapped by handhelds and tablet/phone games in the East. They also betrayed their followers by going directly against their own sentiments from only a couple of years back (will continue software support for the Wii, will live for at least as long as the PS360 etc). Now, this is not a doom prophecy but it should be crystal clear to anyone with half a mind towards observation and business that they need to do something quite soon.

Definitely make the Deluxe the only model. Cancel any projects with poor return. Don't allow any more projects 'because the developer wanted it' unless it has a business case.





Around the Network

So have these numbers even been finalized?



pezus said:
A $50/50 Euro E3 price cut or a pre-E3 cut has to happen. If not, all attention will shift towards Sony and MS's next consoles.


So pezus, do you think Ps4 and nextbox will sell more in 2014? If all the attention shifts from WiiU when they release I dont see how it could sell more that year.



osed125 said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:
ninjablade said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Are you guys kidding? Cut $100 off of Wii U after two months? With its killer software not yet released? With its principal rivals not yet released? It's really hard to take you seriously with such statements.

I feel the same way about your statement, it launched with nintendo biggest and best selling franshise and its doing numers like a system that's breathing its last breath, lets not mention blops 2, and AC3  ehich wether you like to believe it or not is killer software.

Anyone who thinks AC3 or BO2 are system sellers is out of their minds. You are talking like a 2D Mario game is the only thing that will make the system sell...

Well THEY ARE, at least on PS3/360.

System seller FOR the Wii U, for the same reason you stayed, most people already have the game for the 360, PS3 or PC.

Why aren't these games system sellers for the Wii U?



GameAnalyser said:
platformmaster918 said:

Vita is death.  720 is famine (because Xbox gamers have been starved of a new console for the longest).  PS is war (because they wage war on Microsoft for specs and cause their death financially).  WiiU is pestilence because A. Nothing else is left and B. it preyed on the disease of casual gamers and now suffers their ipad loving ways!

The metaphors sound good. Well, it's a matter of time to know which ones actually turn out to be the same.

So... all of this makes the 3DS the one possible savior of the industry, right?



pezus said:
A $50/50 Euro E3 price cut or a pre-E3 cut has to happen. If not, all attention will shift towards Sony and MS's next consoles.

I think this is what's going to happen: if the sales stay like this for 1-2 months Nintendo is going to announce games that they were planning to reveal at E3 (they can simple do a Nintendo Direct), if this works then the sales will stabilize until a "real" price cut at the end of the year, if the sales keep going down then Nintendo will cut the price by $50 (max $70) before E3.



Nintendo and PC gamer