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bouzane said:
@ Mr Khan

I guess we'll just have to disagree. I strongly believe that we must remain ever vigilant to the very real dangers of corporatism and fascism that exist in modern day society. As I study history I see that nothing ever changes, at least not meaningfully. We still have masters who continually attempt to improve their slave farms and they rarely have any concern for those that live on said farms. I do not trust them and I do not encourage anybody to place any amount of blind faith in those who rule us.

As far as Japan goes, sure, it's a peaceful society at the moment. The thing is, human civilization is not static, it is dynamic. The economic collapse that Japan faces will be catastrophic and I shudder when I think about what will happen to them when the banks shut the pipeline of credit that props up their failing economy. Without the flow of credit Yugoslavia, a formerly peaceful and prosperous nation, disintegrated into a dreadful civil war. Japan has a far, far worse debt problem and it is painfully evident that they will never be able to correct this issue. If the banks decide to pull the rug out from under them what would happen? Imagine if they had to create a balanced budget by slashing healthcare and eliminating many social programs overnight. Just imagine if the cuts didn't stop there. Imagine if they were unable to acquire the capital needed to prevent shortages in raw materials or even food. People become awfully restless when they're starving and the Japanese are just as capable of violence as any other human being.

The credit crunch in Yugoslavia was merely the removal of duct-tape holding together a country that wasn't supposed to be, due largely to political imbalances in favor of ethnic Serbs. Greece, with less ethnic homogeneity than Japan, hasn't had anything anywhere remotely resembling the Balkan Wars of the 1990s.

What you're describing simply will never happen. If anything, global economic collapse based around sovereign debt is likely to just lead to the countries declaring Sovereign Debt Jubilee, where everyone just writes off everyone else and starts over again.

Japan's healthcare wouldn't really fall that badly anyway, as their healthcare is government run but largely funded outside the government budget, as you still have to make insurance payments commensurate with your level of income, but those are just insurance payments, and can't be diverted to, say, farm subsidies (which are a huge problem in Japan anyway)



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Mr Khan said:
bouzane said:
@ Mr Khan

I guess we'll just have to disagree. I strongly believe that we must remain ever vigilant to the very real dangers of corporatism and fascism that exist in modern day society. As I study history I see that nothing ever changes, at least not meaningfully. We still have masters who continually attempt to improve their slave farms and they rarely have any concern for those that live on said farms. I do not trust them and I do not encourage anybody to place any amount of blind faith in those who rule us.

As far as Japan goes, sure, it's a peaceful society at the moment. The thing is, human civilization is not static, it is dynamic. The economic collapse that Japan faces will be catastrophic and I shudder when I think about what will happen to them when the banks shut the pipeline of credit that props up their failing economy. Without the flow of credit Yugoslavia, a formerly peaceful and prosperous nation, disintegrated into a dreadful civil war. Japan has a far, far worse debt problem and it is painfully evident that they will never be able to correct this issue. If the banks decide to pull the rug out from under them what would happen? Imagine if they had to create a balanced budget by slashing healthcare and eliminating many social programs overnight. Just imagine if the cuts didn't stop there. Imagine if they were unable to acquire the capital needed to prevent shortages in raw materials or even food. People become awfully restless when they're starving and the Japanese are just as capable of violence as any other human being.

The credit crunch in Yugoslavia was merely the removal of duct-tape holding together a country that wasn't supposed to be, due largely to political imbalances in favor of ethnic Serbs. Greece, with less ethnic homogeneity than Japan, hasn't had anything anywhere remotely resembling the Balkan Wars of the 1990s.

What you're describing simply will never happen. If anything, global economic collapse based around sovereign debt is likely to just lead to the countries declaring Sovereign Debt Jubilee, where everyone just writes off everyone else and starts over again.

Japan's healthcare wouldn't really fall that badly anyway, as their healthcare is government run but largely funded outside the government budget, as you still have to make insurance payments commensurate with your level of income, but those are just insurance payments, and can't be diverted to, say, farm subsidies (which are a huge problem in Japan anyway)


I didn't know that about Japanese health care. That being said, I was not proposing that Japan develop ethnic divisions, I was merely pointing out that extreme economic hardship would result in serious issues and yes, large scale violence. Japan's debt is unpayable and as it continues to balloon outward, it becomes evident that it is not a worthwhile investment. Japan is being sustained by outside sources and if that ever changed then they would be screwed. If every nation wrote off their debt and started over then Japan would still be completely unable to balance their budget leading to serious hardship. Also, what if there were serious economic issues that arose elsewhere or worse yet, large scale war? Either one of these scenarios or any other situation that would threaten the flow of credit could prove disastrous to the Japanese. It is not desirable for an economy to remain on perpetual life support, this really is not sustainable, at least not forever.



bouzane said:
Mr Khan said:
bouzane said:
@ Mr Khan

I guess we'll just have to disagree. I strongly believe that we must remain ever vigilant to the very real dangers of corporatism and fascism that exist in modern day society. As I study history I see that nothing ever changes, at least not meaningfully. We still have masters who continually attempt to improve their slave farms and they rarely have any concern for those that live on said farms. I do not trust them and I do not encourage anybody to place any amount of blind faith in those who rule us.

As far as Japan goes, sure, it's a peaceful society at the moment. The thing is, human civilization is not static, it is dynamic. The economic collapse that Japan faces will be catastrophic and I shudder when I think about what will happen to them when the banks shut the pipeline of credit that props up their failing economy. Without the flow of credit Yugoslavia, a formerly peaceful and prosperous nation, disintegrated into a dreadful civil war. Japan has a far, far worse debt problem and it is painfully evident that they will never be able to correct this issue. If the banks decide to pull the rug out from under them what would happen? Imagine if they had to create a balanced budget by slashing healthcare and eliminating many social programs overnight. Just imagine if the cuts didn't stop there. Imagine if they were unable to acquire the capital needed to prevent shortages in raw materials or even food. People become awfully restless when they're starving and the Japanese are just as capable of violence as any other human being.

The credit crunch in Yugoslavia was merely the removal of duct-tape holding together a country that wasn't supposed to be, due largely to political imbalances in favor of ethnic Serbs. Greece, with less ethnic homogeneity than Japan, hasn't had anything anywhere remotely resembling the Balkan Wars of the 1990s.

What you're describing simply will never happen. If anything, global economic collapse based around sovereign debt is likely to just lead to the countries declaring Sovereign Debt Jubilee, where everyone just writes off everyone else and starts over again.

Japan's healthcare wouldn't really fall that badly anyway, as their healthcare is government run but largely funded outside the government budget, as you still have to make insurance payments commensurate with your level of income, but those are just insurance payments, and can't be diverted to, say, farm subsidies (which are a huge problem in Japan anyway)


I didn't know that about Japanese health care. That being said, I was not proposing that Japan develop ethnic divisions, I was merely pointing out that extreme economic hardship would result in serious issues and yes, large scale violence. Japan's debt is unpayable and as it continues to balloon outward, it becomes evident that it is not a worthwhile investment. Japan is being sustained by outside sources and if that ever changed then they would be screwed. If every nation wrote off their debt and started over then Japan would still be completely unable to balance their budget leading to serious hardship. Also, what if there were serious economic issues that arose elsewhere or worse yet, large scale war? Either one of these scenarios or any other situation that would threaten the flow of credit could prove disastrous to the Japanese. It is not desirable for an economy to remain on perpetual life support, this really is not sustainable, at least not forever.

I'd be willing to concede that it could lead to violence, but not the kind we're talking about (involving civil strife). More likely such a thing would lead to Japanese re-armament and them trying what they tried in World War II: gain self-sufficiency through conquest.



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Having restrictions on guns is going to solve close to nothing. The people who want guns (the criminals) will find anyway that they can to own them, even with gun restrictions.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
xwan said:
Even if guns are "NOT" the problem it provides a easy mean to kill alot of people quickly, It should be completely ban amongst civilians like in Japan. They haven't had a gun death forever.

in that case all guns should be band because they all kill. i seriously doubt a bill with any gun being band would fly with the (yes they are good for 1 thing) republicans. 

@xwan i understand that, but assult riffles aren't the only guns that can cause this kind of damage. no gun should be exempt. didn't Jovan Belcher from the Kansas City Chiefs kill his girlfriend and then himself with a hand gun?

automatic shotguns can make you unrecognizable, so if any gun can do it, ban them all, don't be selective. yea sure you can't get rid of all the crazies, but im not responsible for anyones actions but my own. i feel for those who have experianced loss do to these tragedies, butt banning assult riffles won't stop mass murder, or school shootings.

 

but it will help alot. As far as people living right now americans will probably throw their arms up and have a cry. but if guns are banned the next generation will not have grown up with them or been around them which as you can see compared to most other countries in the world works and severely lowers those kinds of things happening.



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yum123 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
xwan said:
Even if guns are "NOT" the problem it provides a easy mean to kill alot of people quickly, It should be completely ban amongst civilians like in Japan. They haven't had a gun death forever.

in that case all guns should be band because they all kill. i seriously doubt a bill with any gun being band would fly with the (yes they are good for 1 thing) republicans. 

@xwan i understand that, but assult riffles aren't the only guns that can cause this kind of damage. no gun should be exempt. didn't Jovan Belcher from the Kansas City Chiefs kill his girlfriend and then himself with a hand gun?

automatic shotguns can make you unrecognizable, so if any gun can do it, ban them all, don't be selective. yea sure you can't get rid of all the crazies, but im not responsible for anyones actions but my own. i feel for those who have experianced loss do to these tragedies, butt banning assult riffles won't stop mass murder, or school shootings.

 

but it will help alot. As far as people living right now americans will probably throw their arms up and have a cry. but if guns are banned the next generation will not have grown up with them or been around them which as you can see compared to most other countries in the world works and severely lowers those kinds of things happening.

yea only if we go back to using bows and arrows. reloads slow lol.

it will never be that simple.



I predict that they will ban every violent game forever, but they will continue allowing anybody to buy weapons on every corner.



Birimbau said:
I predict that they will ban every violent game forever, but they will continue allowing anybody to buy weapons on every corner.

Except they want to restrict people from getting guns...



bouzane said:
xwan said:
Did criminals kill the school children, who exactly are "law abiding citizens", everyone is law abiding until you kill someone. What we called "normal" people are the ones armed to the teeth and killed everybody in the theater and booby trapped their apartment.

How many criminals do you run into everyday basis and has time to react with a gun you put away in your house while you are walking down 5th avenue getting gunned down? you point doesn't stand. Criminals will get guns rather you make it legal or illegal, if you make it illegal then it will be harder for them to get it.

And also regular civilians like you and I will have a harder time getting a gun if its ban, which is the purpose, prevent civilians from getting gun.

This is ridiculous argument to have in the beginning, the only ones in Austratlia that has regular access to guns are like the guy above me said, "farmers" use to defend their livestocks against other wild animals.,

Banning game will do good than harm for sure, just ban them already, everyday we hear ppl getting gun down, i think last week was AK 47 in Los Angeles....


Care to provide real life evidence to support your points?

Law-abiding citizens without a history of violence that purchase their firearms legally are far less likely to commit a crime with the aforementioned firearm than you would believe. Again, the problem is not with gun ownership but those who would illegally obtain a firearm with the intent to commit crime.

Gun prohibition will not necessarily make it more difficult for criminals to access guns. Australia is a real world example that contradicts this concept. Additionally, America has far more guns with over two hundred million currently in circulation, care to explain how we are to eliminate all of them?

Simply put, you would eliminate far more gun violence if you simply addressed the underlying issues, namely gang participation. This would be far easier to achieve and would actually resolve not only the much gun violence, but also organized crime in general.

 

You eliminate violence by doing all those "underlying issues" but this is a circular argument + GUN CONTROL. WHy are you so afraid of banning guns? The best way to reduce GUN RELATED death is to ban the guns, how hard is it to understand? THis argument is getting retarded, banning gun is the first step to stopping GUN RELATED violence, period.



snyps said:
guy stabs someone. we say "whats wrong with you?".

guy strangles someone. we say "whats wrong with you?".

guy bludgeons someone. we say "whats wrong with you?".

guy shoots someone. we say "we have to ban guns?".

i really dont want america to have the same violent crime rate as uk. gun control or victim disarmament is so stupid.

Or more relevant to this thread:

Violent film fan kills someone: "What's wrong with you?"

Violent novel fan kills someone: "What's wrong with you?"

Violent video game fan kills someone: "Well of course he did, look at all those violent games he played!"

But your point is a good one too.



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