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HappySqurriel said:
fordy said:

Way to miss the point...

How is the birth relevant to the household a child grows up in?

I think you missed the point ...

If marriage is about providing the best outcomes for children doesn't it have to be proven that gay couples can provide similar or better outcomes for children before you claim that they can be married?

 

So much wrong with that question...

When did marriage become about providing the best outcomes for children?

If every degree of equal rights requires a study, I take it you have relevant studies that showed blacks were equal to whites or women were equal to men before THEY were given equal rights?



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Cub said:
Fireforgey said:

To make a long story short (and for the record I'm not Christian so I can't speak on their behalf) But what they idea about being Gay or Bi-Sexual ect... Is not "not being attracted". As you said you have no control over sexual attraction. However, the idea is that it is a test to see whether you will give in to those desires and have sex with someone of the same gender or whether you will wait to marry the opposite gender. The thing is, I don't make much distinction between those who have extra marital sex and those who are gay AND AND ACTUALLY PRACTICE THEIR SEXUAL DESIRES . These are both people who can't resist any kinds of urges. I don't hate them in any way, but I believe that what they are doing is wrong.

I think the debate that Christians have turned the gay issue into a matter of choice and not choice hurts the whole argument. Being attracted to something is not a choice, acting upon that attraction is something entirely different.'

And for those who say that if you are attracted to the same gender but don't actually act on it is denying who you truly are, I have to ask them one question. If I don't hump every girl that I meet that I am attracted to, am I being "not true to myself"? After you have religion and the belief that doing something like that is wrong, the choice is up to you. Shall I try to restrain my desires for the sake of what I believe is a godly good. Or should I do the thing that makes me most satisfied.

THAT is the choice that everyone has to make albeit about different matters, subjects, tests ect....

You will end up with a girl , so if you are a muslim you will restrain your desires until you get married and you won't have to hump every other girl, cuz you will get what you want eventually and you will please your god, that's easy but... How is that comprable to restraining yourself until you die (in case you were gay)? it's not!

Oh man, that's an easy one.  What if you're straight and marry a woman you're not attracted to.  Each person has their test in life.  I personally beleive that they are all in one way or another comparrable.  And if it's not in attraction, its in money, disease, family issues, stealing ect....That's my belief anyhow.



Some of the responses in this thread are genuinely horrifying. I'm appalled. How some people think its a choice or you can be 'cured' is a joke. Well here's something for you people who 'believe' its a choice. It's not. Fact. This makes your 'opinion' on this topic irrelevant. It's not about opinions.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

1. If you were to watch gay pornography, would you be able to choose to get a boner and actually enjoy the video?


Funny thing, a good part of straight girls often watch lesbian porn. Some studies have measured their reaction to different kinds of porn and speculate women evolved to become excited with most recognizable sex acts as a protection against rape. That says a lot about us men huh. 



 

 

 

 

 

you can't help what attracts you..

 

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1. Yes

2. Yes

3. As if you're really interested in that answer(s)

EDIT: Regarding Q1, I would never put myself through that process of self-conditioning, because I see no use in developing such desires.



fordy said:
HappySqurriel said:
fordy said:

Way to miss the point...

How is the birth relevant to the household a child grows up in?

I think you missed the point ...

If marriage is about providing the best outcomes for children doesn't it have to be proven that gay couples can provide similar or better outcomes for children before you claim that they can be married?

 

So much wrong with that question...

When did marriage become about providing the best outcomes for children?

If every degree of equal rights requires a study, I take it you have relevant studies that showed blacks were equal to whites or women were equal to men before THEY were given equal rights?

Tens of thousands of years ago and remained that way up until around 100 years ago where it has slowly been eroded away by a combination of mass media romanticism and progressive policies ...

 

Now, here is the problem, I don't see how claiming a relationship that fails to meet the definition of being married actually denies people of rights. As long as the criteria is meaningful andarbitrary there is no discrimination. "Can Procreate" is a pretty meaningful criteria that is not arbitrary given tens of thousands of years of being the primary goal of marriage.

 

Here is another way to look at it, if marriage is just an arbitrary celebration of love why is polygamy illegal?



Normando said:
HappySqurriel said:
fordy said:

Way to miss the point...

How is the birth relevant to the household a child grows up in?

I think you missed the point ...

If marriage is about providing the best outcomes for children doesn't it have to be proven that gay couples can provide similar or better outcomes for children before you claim that they can be married?


What would make a Homosexual couple less equipped to raise a child than a straight couple? Also, what if a Married couple decides not to have children? Why do children have to be the driving force of a marriage? And most importantly, Who are you, or I, or anybody to say that two adults who love each other can't get married because we're unsure of how they'll be as parents? There are plenty of crappy straight parents.

Marriage is a social structure that has existed for tens of thousands of years with its primary purpose being pro-creation.

What gives you the right to change that definition because a few people want to hold a fancy party to celebrate their love?



Actually the primary reason was consolidation of wealth and assets. It also gave people rights should a marriage go awry.

Regardless of that, things change to accommodate changes. That's how the world works - we need change.

Also if marriage is so sacred to straight people, why are a lot of them breaking down? Why are there so many affairs? Why, why, why? We could be asking questions all day. I'd like some of the idiots on here to have their rights taken away for a single day. Maybe then they could appreciate all the 'whining'. It's a sad world where people have to whine to be treated as equals.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Sexuality is one of our most ancient discussions; a topic that even after so many years still successfully tend to result in heated debates. Some think that homosexuality is wrong, others think it is perfectly fine. Some think that bi-, homo-, and heterosexuality is a choice, others think we were born to develop whatever turns out to be our sexuality (i.e. our genes decide) - or simply that our environment to some degree chose our current sexuality for us: Thus suggesting that it is, in fact, not a choice. In this thread I am going to focus on the people who believe that sexual preferences can be selected, by asking the following questions:

 

1. If you were to watch gay pornography, would you be able to choose to get a boner and actually enjoy the video?

2. Whenever you see a hot chick and your penis becomes erect, are you actually able to choose to stop being sexually attracted to her and "deactivate" the boner, but choose not to?

3. If yes, where the hell can I get these super powers?

 

Thanks in advance.

Sexuality is a learned process, but you misunderstand how it is a learned process.

- Exposure
- Attraction
- Arousal
- Experience

The more exposure you have to something, be it non-nude pictures of attractive men or women, the more an attraction builds.  With the opposite sex, it is likely more sexual in nature to begin with, but with the same sex, it begins as an attractive to features that you expressly desire of yourself.  We start to assign labels on particular guys or girls that they're cute or hot.  If that attraction builds, eventually you may develop an arousal related to it.  Once an arousal has set in, and initially it may be for a particular individual unless one is exposed to a dearth of material, one may act on that arousal building an experience.  For most of us (especially guys) this means masturbation, but it may actually mean a sexual experience.  Once solidified into a sexual experience, once the link between attraction, arousal, and sexual experience has been fused there will be, forever, a sexual attraction.

If you're continually exposed to someone, without developing an attraction it doesn't mean anything.  A boy can be a friend to a girl for a lifetime and never be attracted to her until someone points out what makes her attractive.  From the opposite end of the spectrum, an early experience can solidify the link between attraction and arousal.  However, it is less certain.  While more inclined to reject an association with an early sexual experience, adoption of an attraction and arousal isn't unheard of. 

To answer the questions: 

1.  If you're not sexually attracted to the material, you won't get an erection. 

2.  Your level of testosterone affects this.  The younger you are, the more testosterone you have and the more likely you will get and maintain an erection.  As you get older, you may get an erection, but you can also move beyond it and lose it.

3.  It isn't a superpower, it's called getting old.  You will, one day, come to the point where you long for the sexual arousal of your youth.