I'm trying not to get involved in this discussion but I really need to point something out here: marriage has never been purely about proceation. Neither has the act of sex been purely about procreation.

I am unsure how "in depth" I am allowed to get about it, but simply put, human sex is designed as a way to strengthen social bonds between individuals, in addition to procreation.

Marriage has pretty commonly been used as a political tool to unite different groups. Its been used by women and men to raise their social status, to marry into other, richer families, to unite different monarchies and countries. In fact, marriage was pretty commonly used as a political tool by European monarchies as late as the 19th century, which is why there was a lot of inbreeding going. You can read all about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_intermarriage

To say that that has ALWAYS been the single purpose of marriage is just...wrong. I mean, menopausal women and people who are incapable of having children for one reason oranother have been getting married for pretty much as long as marriage has been around.

And while I support the idea of polygamy/polyandry marriage, to compare it to homosexual marriage is silly. People are born homosexual. They aren't born polygamists. It isn't a lifestyle, its who they are. And America is only going to grow more accepting of this over the next decade.

Perhaps the part where you say "I can guarantee that no child of mine will be raised gay", like being gay is somehow some kind of inferiority that parents deliberately avoid to put on their kids, but perhaps Bigots can't see past their own bigotry.

If you don't want me replying, then don't tell me to "inform you" on your first paragraph. Once again, trying to throw your opinion out there and demand that nobody question it...

i never said that. and certainly never said homosexuals were inferior. that is diatmetrically the opposite of what i have been saying about homosexuals in this thread. 

do you not understand basic english?

piss off

Oh I'm sorry. Did you forget that forums are history oriented?

evidently you dont understand english.

what i said: "I know with absolute certainty that when i have children, they wont be gay."

what you said i said: "I can guarantee that no child of mine will be raised gay"

then you said im saying homosexuals are inferior. when every comment about them have been completely contrary to that:

" treating human being regardless of their sexual orientation with love, dignity and respect"

"bye, i wish you a long and fulfilling life."

"anyway i treat homosexuals witht eh exact same dignity and respect as any other person."

"they are human beings, and I actually value the sanctity of human life."

"like i said, i value human life, i will treat them with love and dignity., the same as everybody else."

yeah... such bigotry. 

spew your ignorant venom elsewhere.

Oh I treat everyone with love and dignity, but I'm going to make sure my kids aren't gay. You remind me of Princess Clara from Drawn Together, willfully ignorant that everything she says is bigoted as hell, believing people chose to be in the situation that they're in, like they're into some sort of self-masochism, and can't wait to join one of the most socially rejected and opressed cultures in history. Do you really believe that people CHOOSE to be this way?

It's one thing to say you're all for treating EVERYONE with love and respect, but your initial comments show nothing but the opposite. Openly giving with one hand while secretly stabbing in the back with the other. 

I'm very much in favour of real equality (read my previous post), but you're behaving atrociously and you seem to be refusing to listen to what killerzX is saying.

He didn't say he's going to make sure his kids aren't gay. He said that he knows they won't be. There's a difference. One is an attitude of "I refuse to allow them to be", while the other is "I have faith that they won't be". You and I may not be all that big on faith, but there's a big difference between faith and bigotry. From what I can see, killerzX is somewhat ignorant, but not at all a bigot.

Now, if you can't be polite and actually read what your debating opponent is saying, then perhaps you should remove yourself from the debate for the time being, until you're ready to actually debate rather than ranting and throwing terms like "bigot" around.

I know exactly what he's saying. The basis of saying that being gay is a choice is one that conservatives push a lot, so they're able to say "Well they brought it on themselves to be ridiculed. They CHOSE to be that way". That was the point I was getting to in the above post. Why WOULD people willingly choose such a lifestyle of ridicule aimed towards them?

Once again, people can be bigots and be ignorant towards it. It comes by their actions more than their words. Anyone can say that they love everybody.

Oh, and a guarantee cannot come from faith. That's why it comes from logic and not faith. He said in another post it was a guarantee.

First, I'd like you to provide a single quote where he suggested that being gay is a choice. Note, by the way, the difference between "being gay" and "having homosexual relations". To many religions, homosexual relations are sins, but "being gay" isn't about the act, but about your feelings. So, provide the quote.

Second, it's rather ironic that you should talk about other people being ignorant towards their bigotry. You accuse killerzX of bigotry, but you show all of the signs of bigotry against religious people. killerzX has been polite, respectful, and honest, and you've done nothing but attack and demean. Stop and think about it for a bit.

And you and I feel that guarantees cannot come from faith. But those with faith see it differently. You have to understand this - faith to them is like logic to us, it's the cornerstone of their worldview. By its very definition, faith is the absolute belief that something is true or will happen. killerzX has faith that his children won't be gay - he sees it as an absolute, as something guaranteed. Kind of like how you would see the sun rising tomorrow as "guaranteed". It is theoretically conceivable that something will prevent the sun from "rising" tomorrow (from our perspective, that is), but you still take the existence of a tomorrow as something guaranteed. Faith works in much the same way, and while we may disagree with what they have faith in, or the value of faith, that doesn't make it any less legitimate in the formation of a worldview.

Dont care.

Tho I do want Separation of Church and State and as such as far as the Government is concerned all Marriages or whatever should be "Civil Partnerships" with the same legal standing as they have now.

Leave Marriage to the Church. If the Church wants to do same sex marriages, let them. During the Gay Marriage Debate in 2004, a Jewish Rabbi had asked his congregation if they were apposed to the church performing gay marriage. The majority said absolutely not, as long as they were not required to be part of it.

I feel the same.