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Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

 

You keep jumping topics.

Mass shootings, like those in columbine and general homicides have very different factors.

Mass shootings as best as anyone can tell are largely due to mental illness. (very few people like this are caught alive so research is somewhat untested)   Hence population would matter.

Homicides, generally are a combination of "Honor" culuture,  individualism, poverty, crime, mental issues and a number of other factors.  Hence population wold be a very small factor.

I agree that mass shootings are more influenced my psychological and sociological factors, but stronger gun control could reduce the frequency of occurance.

Also why does population matter? Like I said before Toronto is a neighboring city to Manhattan with a similar population and a homicide rate about 5-10% as large. Tokyo, and Soel, two of the largest cities in the world, have two of the smallest homicide rates. USA and China are not the only countires in the world with dense cities and high population.

So explain how population is at all a factor.

Anyway it doesn't matter, all 3 of us agree that more guns are either not correlated with increased homicide rates, or have a small correlation and things like poverty, racism, drugs and alcohol abuse (especiall this one), mental illness, and psychological/social stress are the underlying causes oh homicide. From the few courses I took in Law in Canada, I can tell you that nearly all of our homicides are incluenced by alcohol abuse.

P.S. Drugs/Alcohol abuse probably is the #1 factor. Nevada has the highest Violent Crime rate by nearly double compared to all other US states and when you look up the countries with the highest homicide rates, you get a lot of central/south American countries like Columbia.


I don't think you read my post completely.   That mass shootings are caused by mental problems means that the biggest contributor would be population.  The US is 10 times larger then Canada.   So all things equal, you would expect it to happen in th US more.

If the US had annual school shootings.  All Canada would need is one a decade to be "even" in occurence rate. 

I don't think anything is going to stop someone who wants to kill multipe people from doing it.

Making it harder to get guns, at best would make it so they just made some homemade explosives.   (Though policy wise speaking, you won't get that in the US.  If I didn't care if there was a crime attached to it, i bet I could get a gun today for 50 dollars or cheaper.)



sc94597 said:
Michael-5 said:
Also, I would like to see if there is a correlation between handguns and homicide rates. I bet you most fire arm related homicides are not done using rifles. I still see absolutely no reason why handguns should be legal. It;s just as absurd has being able to carry automatic rifles. Your not invading the beaches of Normandy, you don't need a killing machine like an automatic rifle. Same with handguns, you really, really don't need to kill to "protect yourself." This isn't a damn war.

Because as free people the government doesn't decide what we can or can't own based on "usefulness." If people own handguns it's because THEY have a reason, and that's fine enough. They're law-abiding adults and shouldn't have a state telling them which property is necessary. 

It's not "usefullness" in which I argue it's handguns should be banned, it's a safty concern. While most gun owners will be law biding, 60% of Homicides in the USA are gun related. I think no handguns => less murders, like in Japan or Korea. A rifle does everything a handgun does fine, it protects your house, can be used for hunting, and can fit in an average American car no problem, it's already portable enough. You don't need to take a gun with you into Wal-Mart because you have your reasons.

Having a reason isn't enough to have a device designed for killing. Why don't I just start walking down the street with a bottle of chloroform and date rape drugs for my own reason. Is that a good enough reason to carry crap like that? Maybe 99% of people who do that won't rape someone, but there will always be one psycho who see an opportunity.



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Kasz216 said:
Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

 

You keep jumping topics.

Mass shootings, like those in columbine and general homicides have very different factors.

Mass shootings as best as anyone can tell are largely due to mental illness. (very few people like this are caught alive so research is somewhat untested)   Hence population would matter.

Homicides, generally are a combination of "Honor" culuture,  individualism, poverty, crime, mental issues and a number of other factors.  Hence population wold be a very small factor.

I agree that mass shootings are more influenced my psychological and sociological factors, but stronger gun control could reduce the frequency of occurance.

Also why does population matter? Like I said before Toronto is a neighboring city to Manhattan with a similar population and a homicide rate about 5-10% as large. Tokyo, and Soel, two of the largest cities in the world, have two of the smallest homicide rates. USA and China are not the only countires in the world with dense cities and high population.

So explain how population is at all a factor.

Anyway it doesn't matter, all 3 of us agree that more guns are either not correlated with increased homicide rates, or have a small correlation and things like poverty, racism, drugs and alcohol abuse (especiall this one), mental illness, and psychological/social stress are the underlying causes oh homicide. From the few courses I took in Law in Canada, I can tell you that nearly all of our homicides are incluenced by alcohol abuse.

P.S. Drugs/Alcohol abuse probably is the #1 factor. Nevada has the highest Violent Crime rate by nearly double compared to all other US states and when you look up the countries with the highest homicide rates, you get a lot of central/south American countries like Columbia.


I don't think you read my post completely.   That mass shootings are caused by mental problems means that the biggest contributor would be population.  The US is 10 times larger then Canada.   So all things equal, you would expect it to happen in th US more.

If the US had annual school shootings.  All Canada would need is one a decade to be "even" in occurence rate. 

I don't think anything is going to stop someone who wants to kill multipe people from doing it.

Making it harder to get guns, at best would make it so they just made some homemade explosives.   (Though policy wise speaking, you won't get that in the US.  If I didn't care if there was a crime attached to it, i bet I could get a gun today for 50 dollars or cheaper.)

Your post is short, of course I read it. I don;t think you read mine when you keep bringing up population despite my counter which I have repeated now.

Okay USA is 10 times larger, there have been more then a couple dozen shootings in the USA. Why hasn't there been 1 in Canada? I don't think there ever will be one unless an American crosses the border with a gun and carries one out.

I think there are ways to prevent instances of mass murders/school shootings. You may not be able to stop them once their mind is set, but improving the way people grow up, teaching kids at a young age to respect each other, would definatly help.

LOL home-made bombs, man you guys are really messed up! I think it would be harder to kill with a home made explosive then a gun, most kids are pretty dumb.

However we clearly agree on something. You need to have more preventive means performed to reduce homicide rates. You need more programs teaching young kids, 6 year olds, to respect others and to teach them morals.



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Lol, took the political compass test and im pretty much smack dab in the middle.
Left/right = .12
Libertarian/authoritarian = -.05



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sc94597 said:

Just took the test, I'm more conservative than most Republicans. 

93% Republican 25% Democratic

the2real4mafol said:

This test is flawed, what if you are left of democrat or right of republican?

I tried the first test from quizfarm and i'm very surprised. I sided with democrats at 59% but apparently i also side with 54% of Republicans. WTF?

You'd likely be a moderate then. Neither a liberal democrat nor a conservative republican. You'd choose a party based on the important policies of the time. It's not really surprising either, most people in the U.S (at least) are moderates or align better with a third party on most issues (except many issues aren't contested.)

I'm far more left wing than that, well thats at least what i though anyway.

I just tried Political compass and it agrees with me

And got to quiz said I was 11% republican and 86% democrat. I guess that first test was just bad



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Michael-5 said:

I think no handguns => less murders, like in Japan or Korea. A rifle does everything a handgun does fine, it protects your house, can be used for hunting, and can fit in an average American car no problem, it's already portable enough. You don't need to take a gun with you into Wal-Mart because you have your reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization



the2real4mafol said:

 

i'm surprised at the little difference between Obama and Romney, that is actually little difference according to the chart

 


Like I said, most topics are restricted in American (and European) politics. Hence they tend to remain in the Authoritarian Right. The U.S doesn't have a true left, and even Obama isn't socialist he's just trying to appease the poor with a welfare-state (which isn't anywhere near socialism.) Most normal people (non politicians) on the otherhand, don't even approach the Authoritarian Right.