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Gilgamesh on 30 December 2012

What the? 4 of my friends actually bought a Dodge Dart, were they the only ones? It's a really nice car.



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sethnintendo on 30 December 2012
Gilgamesh said:

What the? 4 of my friends actually bought a Dodge Dart, were they the only ones? It's a really nice car.

Let me know how long their automatic transmission lasts.  I went with a manual 05 Civic after having 2 '93 Dodge Intrepids (first model year) which had multiple problems.  Dodge transmissions usually suck.  Hence why the article even mentions that it didn't get recommended due to powertrain issues.

I did go through one clutch and had some rework done on my lower gears which cost about 2k on my Civic.  Chump change when compared to the problems I faced with Dodge vehicles.



Gilgamesh on 30 December 2012
sethnintendo said:
Gilgamesh said:

What the? 4 of my friends actually bought a Dodge Dart, were they the only ones? It's a really nice car.

Let me know how long their automatic transmission lasts.  I went with a manual 05 Civic after having 2 '93 Dodge Intrepids (first model year) which had multiple problems.  Dodge transmissions usually suck.  Hence why the article even mentions that it didn't get recommended due to powertrain issues.

I did go through one clutch and had some rework done on my lower gears which cost about 2k on my Civic.  Chump change when compared to the problems I faced with Dodge vehicles.

I'm pretty sure they all got the manual transmission, but ya Dodges are known for their transmission problems.



Scisca on 30 December 2012
Chris Hu said:
I kinda like the look of the Dodge Dart its definitely a better looking car then the car its based on the Alfa Romeo Giulietta its also the first car available with a 9 speed automatic transmission. Also they modified the Dodge Dart into the Fiat Viaggio for the Chinese market so it still has the potential to be a future hit in China. Its also better then the previous two small car entries by Dodge the Neon and the Caliber.

Are you blind or something? Giulietta is by far the sexiest car in its class! No other car gets even close. This Dodge looks like plastic crap, no wonder it doesn't sell.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

HappySqurriel on 30 December 2012
Scisca said:
Chris Hu said:
I kinda like the look of the Dodge Dart its definitely a better looking car then the car its based on the Alfa Romeo Giulietta its also the first car available with a 9 speed automatic transmission. Also they modified the Dodge Dart into the Fiat Viaggio for the Chinese market so it still has the potential to be a future hit in China. Its also better then the previous two small car entries by Dodge the Neon and the Caliber.

Are you blind or something? Giulietta is by far the sexiest car in its class! No other car gets even close. This Dodge looks like plastic crap, no wonder it doesn't sell.

If the Giulietta is the sexiest car in its class, that is one butt ugly class ...

It has a hideously ugly snub-nose, a hatchback (all hatchbacks are ugly), and a boring profile.



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Scisca on 30 December 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Scisca said:
Chris Hu said:
I kinda like the look of the Dodge Dart its definitely a better looking car then the car its based on the Alfa Romeo Giulietta its also the first car available with a 9 speed automatic transmission. Also they modified the Dodge Dart into the Fiat Viaggio for the Chinese market so it still has the potential to be a future hit in China. Its also better then the previous two small car entries by Dodge the Neon and the Caliber.

Are you blind or something? Giulietta is by far the sexiest car in its class! No other car gets even close. This Dodge looks like plastic crap, no wonder it doesn't sell.

If the Giulietta is the sexiest car in its class, that is one butt ugly class ...

It has a hideously ugly snub-nose, a hatchback (all hatchbacks are ugly), and a boring profile.

You guys in NA don't know a thing about cars. Seriously, you should all be sent to Italy to learn something about style and design :P All Alfa Romeo cars are sex on wheels. They break down every 6 minutes, but when judging style, damn...



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

_mevildan on 30 December 2012
thismeintiel said:
Chris Hu said:
thismeintiel said:

The vast majority of theatres' money comes from concession sales, as well as the ads before the movie.  For about the first month a movie is out, the theatre keeps ~20% of the ticket sales, while ~80% goes back to the studio.  After that first month, the studio only keeps ~40%.  Your also ignoring an important part, studios often exaggerate their production costs.  I remember listening to an audio commentary (can't recall the movie), and I believe it was Stephen Sommers (could have been someone else) saying to never believe the budget that studios site, since he had to make the movie for much less than what they told the public. He even gave an example of one of his earlier movies, which I believe they said cost nearly twice as much as it reallly did.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not trying to make a movie I like seem like it did better than the public peception is.  In fact, I've never seen the movie.  But, I know it probably made a slight profit, which still isn't good.


With a $100 million dollar add campaign on top of the $250 million dollar budget there is no way John Carter made a profit no matter how you spin the numbers.  Also by the time a movie stops running it usually a 50/50 split between theaters and studios when it comes to a movies box office gross.  In some foreign countries the studios get a lot less then 50% of the movies gross most noticably China where the studios only get 25%.  Anyway since the budget for The Lone Ranger is listed at $250 million on wikipedia Disney is the front runner for having another big budget box office bomb in 2013.  I highly doubt Rich Ross who was the head of Walt Disney Studios when John Carter was released would have resiged if John Cater would have made a slight profit.  Disney looks especially bad on this list since Pan Am was on ABC which is owned by Disney even though the show wasn't produced by them it was made by Sony Pictures.

Read the bolded part.  And he probably would still have been asked to resign, anyway.  Well, unless John Carter became one the largest hits ever.  But, movies studios don't look to waste their time and money just so they barely break even, or make a slight profit, once home video sales are in.  More importantly, there was a lot of crap going on behind the scenes that didn't just pertain to his movie choices, some of those choices definitely being duds (Mars Needs Moms being a big one).  I do have to agree with you, though, TLR definitely looks like its going to bomb HARD. 


No matter what the actual budget was for John Carter, after the movie had been out for a few weeks Disney themselves said they were projecting a 200 million dollar loss.



Chris Hu on 31 December 2012
Scisca said:
Chris Hu said:
I kinda like the look of the Dodge Dart its definitely a better looking car then the car its based on the Alfa Romeo Giulietta its also the first car available with a 9 speed automatic transmission. Also they modified the Dodge Dart into the Fiat Viaggio for the Chinese market so it still has the potential to be a future hit in China. Its also better then the previous two small car entries by Dodge the Neon and the Caliber.

Are you blind or something? Giulietta is by far the sexiest car in its class! No other car gets even close. This Dodge looks like plastic crap, no wonder it doesn't sell.


I guess I just don't like the looks of Alfa Romeo cars then I also think the new Viper is slightly better looking then the car it was supposed to be based on the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione but now wikipedia is saying its not based on any other car.



Chris Hu on 31 December 2012
Scisca said:
HappySqurriel said:
Scisca said:
Chris Hu said:
I kinda like the look of the Dodge Dart its definitely a better looking car then the car its based on the Alfa Romeo Giulietta its also the first car available with a 9 speed automatic transmission. Also they modified the Dodge Dart into the Fiat Viaggio for the Chinese market so it still has the potential to be a future hit in China. Its also better then the previous two small car entries by Dodge the Neon and the Caliber.

Are you blind or something? Giulietta is by far the sexiest car in its class! No other car gets even close. This Dodge looks like plastic crap, no wonder it doesn't sell.

If the Giulietta is the sexiest car in its class, that is one butt ugly class ...

It has a hideously ugly snub-nose, a hatchback (all hatchbacks are ugly), and a boring profile.

You guys in NA don't know a thing about cars. Seriously, you should all be sent to Italy to learn something about style and design :P All Alfa Romeo cars are sex on wheels. They break down every 6 minutes, but when judging style, damn...

Well once the new Spider comes out the brand will be reintroduced in North America I hope it will to better then the Fiat 500 is doing here right now.