spaceguy said:
HappySqurriel said: I know a woman who came from (one of) the lowest castes in India, from a family that didn't have adequate shelter and regularly went without food, and is now a well educated software developer, earns a good living, and is supporting her family back home. The challenges she faced, and her parents faced, are unimaginable and make the "trials" of the poor in western developed nations laughable.
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Yea and how many of the hundreds that come over do that? Not many. Sometimes its who you know, not what you know. You seem to think this just happens all the time. Not true and upward mobility has become way harder than in the past. Basically you need luck and immigrants get more free grants. This sounds like your full it, You don't even know this person. This was a right wing story you decided to repost from another right wing thread. I see these post all the time. Unless you have family backing, it is almost impossible. Most in the medical field come out with around 500,000 - 600,000 dollars in debt. Oh yea the usual, people are just lazy. Not that there is a major lack of good paying jobs. You are full of it.
your the same guy that wants less pay, less insurance, less everything for the worker. In the 80's we subsidies 80% of college, we now only subsidize 20%. You figure it out and back than college was not needed to be wealthy.
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First off, if you want to meet Sirisha I can introduce her to you ...
If lack of college education is preventing upward mobility, can you please explain why the college graduation rate has steadily increased for decades:

The reality is that the vast majority of people are getting a college education has no practical use, and this didn't impact our parents generation that much because there were far fewer graduates fighting over the same number of entry level jobs; and their University degree made them stand out against the average person with a high-school diploma.
Now, I'm 100% against funding universities beyond their current level because I'm aware of where the money is going:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/08/colleges-spend-less-on-students_n_846347.html
Dartmouth College was cited, in particular, as one institution that overstates expenditure on students. According to the report, Dartmouth officials say the college spends $104,402 per student each year -- almost twice the annual tuition cost of $49,974. But the study finds that Dartmouth is spending $88,000 per student before instructional costs are even considered.
The reason tuition has increased to nearly 3 times the level it was in the 1980s (when you factor for inflation) is not because education has become more expensive, it is because schools are wasting far more money on unnecessary things.
Now, as for the comment about "Less pay, less insurance, less everything for the worker" I don't know where you got that; and it is actually the opposite of what I want. I want the economy to be as strong everywhere as it is locally so workers can demand better pay with better benefits because there are more jobs than workers. I think people should have access to true healthcare insurance that protects them against unlikely events rather than expensive healthcare benefit programs that are (mostly) abused by a small handful of people.
With that all said, if you want to fix the upward mobility problem a few things have to change:
1) The teachers union needs to be broken so that incompetent and ineffective teachers can be fired
2) Schools have to agressively kick students out who are preventing other children from learning
3) Parents have to become far more involved in their children's education
4) We have to stop subsidizing poor decision making