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HappySqurriel said:
I know a woman who came from (one of) the lowest castes in India, from a family that didn't have adequate shelter and regularly went without food, and is now a well educated software developer, earns a good living, and is supporting her family back home. The challenges she faced, and her parents faced, are unimaginable and make the "trials" of the poor in western developed nations laughable.

Yea and how many of the hundreds that come over do that? Not many. Sometimes its who you know, not what you know. You seem to think this just happens all the time. Not true and upward mobility has become way harder than in the past. Basically you need luck and immigrants get more free grants. This sounds like your full it, You don't even know this person. This was a right wing story you decided to repost from another right wing thread. I see these post all the time. Unless you have family backing, it is almost impossible. Most in the medical field come out with around 500,000 - 600,000 dollars in debt. Oh yea the usual, people are just lazy. Not that there is a major lack of good paying jobs. You are full of it.

your the same guy that wants less pay, less insurance, less everything for the worker. In the 80's we subsidies 80% of college, we now only subsidize 20%. You figure it out and back than college was not needed to be wealthy.



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badgenome said:
Jay520 said:

My view is complicated and I don't know if I can articulate it clearly. I believe poor people are poor because of their personality, but that's not necessarily the fault of the person. If that makes sense.

But there's a pretty big difference between an abundance of opportunity and merely the illusion of abundance, which is what it would be if they don't possess free will. The opportunity might as well not exist if they don't have the capacity to actually exploit it.

It's difficult to explain. Let me think on how to explain it clearly.



Nope, but i do act like a thug around black people :/

I grew up with alot of them, so it's natural :T



Well, when I hang out with my black friends I feel like I have to act tough and not laugh at anything and say "DAMMM" every time a good looking girl walks by.



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This man doesn't sound like a thug when he was poor. His voice made him rich..



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spaceguy said:
spurgeonryan said:

Am I a muppet or am I a man?

 

It is strange. I have been around poor people my whole life and am now also poor, but I just do not get these people at all. Maybe it is because my Father was well off and I went to a religious private school or maybe I am just wired differently. But it seems like just to talk with poor people I have to cuss every other word or they do not understand me, you cannot talk about anything in the news because the only news some of them ( most party every night or are too poor for television) watch is Conan O'Brien at night, or they just want to complain about what people in charge of them do.

 

I always have to have some secret hand shake, fist pound just to say hi, or give some sort of gangster greeting just to get there attention. Then for small talk it is even worse! Who they fucked, what better minimum wage job they could have or are getting, how they are going home after work to immediately have a alcoholic beverage or do drugs. What else can I say to this. I am a single candle in a world of loud, annoying flashlights. Also it seems that if you do not like Football then you are automatically an outcast. I find myself reading newspapers just to know who is playing who so I can start any sort of meaningless conversation with these people.

 

Seems to be a lost cause to talk with poor people. Am I right? Do others have this problem?

 

Please respond whether you are a life long poor or well to do person. I would like a better understanding...of Shit and stuff.

This is clearly anecdotal evidence. I meet plenty of poor people trying to go to college and trying hard. They got a massive hill to climb. Some sleep in there car, only to end up with massive college debt and no work. I'm not sure where you are at but it is not like that around me, yes in the gang ridden areas. I'm not sure what you consider poor but around me plenty of people are poor and they work there ass off and don't drink. I'm doing fine but I feel sorry for others. My brother in law makes about $13 hr, don't drink, does scrapping after work and my sister works. After all this, they barely make their bills and have no time to even think of college. What most don't understand is there is a sh-t load of working poor in this country. The middle class pay from the 80's would equal about 90,000 a year average including inflation. However average pay now days is around 45,000. So people used to be able to take trips, do things, they had disposable money. However you got people on the right that basically support things like, Pay me less, less insurance please, lease unions to help me get less pay, give all  my  money to the rich. The rich is taking us all to the bank. Back in the day you got paid for your work, today you barely get enough to survive.



Pretty good point. There is a strong relationship between inequality and many of the problems in society.



Tease.

I used to be pretty poor. At the same time, I used to dumb myself down to speak to people. After a while, I couldn't stop myself. Later on in life, those same people became more articulate and capable of having deep conversation and I was still stuck in "gangsta" mode. I realized that I should have always been myself. It took a long time to get out of that mindset and become what I am, today.

If you are intelligent and capable of deep thought, don't lower yourself to the level of someone else. Why limit yourself out of fear of being called "smart"? Wouldn't it be better to raise other people to your level or just find people that are your intellectual equals?

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The amount of money you have should have nothing to do with a conversation



I have experienced the need to dumb down conversation and language with certain people but that doesn't really correlate to poor people (i don't know any poor people).



spaceguy said:
HappySqurriel said:
I know a woman who came from (one of) the lowest castes in India, from a family that didn't have adequate shelter and regularly went without food, and is now a well educated software developer, earns a good living, and is supporting her family back home. The challenges she faced, and her parents faced, are unimaginable and make the "trials" of the poor in western developed nations laughable.

Yea and how many of the hundreds that come over do that? Not many. Sometimes its who you know, not what you know. You seem to think this just happens all the time. Not true and upward mobility has become way harder than in the past. Basically you need luck and immigrants get more free grants. This sounds like your full it, You don't even know this person. This was a right wing story you decided to repost from another right wing thread. I see these post all the time. Unless you have family backing, it is almost impossible. Most in the medical field come out with around 500,000 - 600,000 dollars in debt. Oh yea the usual, people are just lazy. Not that there is a major lack of good paying jobs. You are full of it.

your the same guy that wants less pay, less insurance, less everything for the worker. In the 80's we subsidies 80% of college, we now only subsidize 20%. You figure it out and back than college was not needed to be wealthy.

First off, if you want to meet Sirisha I can introduce her to you ...

If lack of college education is preventing upward mobility, can you please explain why the college graduation rate has steadily increased for decades:

The reality is that the vast majority of people are getting a college education has no practical use, and this didn't impact our parents generation that much because there were far fewer graduates fighting over the same number of entry level jobs; and their University degree made them stand out against the average person with a high-school diploma.

Now, I'm 100% against funding universities beyond their current level because I'm aware of where the money is going:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/08/colleges-spend-less-on-students_n_846347.html

Dartmouth College was cited, in particular, as one institution that overstates expenditure on students. According to the report, Dartmouth officials say the college spends $104,402 per student each year -- almost twice the annual tuition cost of $49,974. But the study finds that Dartmouth is spending $88,000 per student before instructional costs are even considered.

The reason tuition has increased to nearly 3 times the level it was in the 1980s (when you factor for inflation) is not because education has become more expensive, it is because schools are wasting far more money on unnecessary things.

Now, as for the comment about "Less pay, less insurance, less everything for the worker" I don't know where you got that; and it is actually the opposite of what I want. I want the economy to be as strong everywhere as it is locally so workers can demand better pay with better benefits because there are more jobs than workers. I think people should have access to true healthcare insurance that protects them against unlikely events rather than expensive healthcare benefit programs that are (mostly) abused by a small handful of people.

 

With that all said, if you want to fix the upward mobility problem a few things have to change:

1) The teachers union needs to be broken so that incompetent and ineffective teachers can be fired
2) Schools have to agressively kick students out who are preventing other children from learning
3) Parents have to become far more involved in their children's education
4) We have to stop subsidizing poor decision making