That is true, but I don't know about that at the same time.  People pay for XBL because of the games it has on it.  And next generation if my predictions are right then XBL may be able to replace Cable boxes and if that is so then even non gamers will be signing up for XBL.  I don't think people realize what that means to have a multimedia service.  This will not just be a threat to PSN, but a threat to cable and satellite services.  

theprof00 said:
Either that or buy two full retail games in digital format and get live free for a year.
Or, spend 100$ on digital purchases, get a free year, for every 100$ spent.

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Wow they should replace pachter with you. Your one statement makes a very good point. Sometimes Sony and microsoft should be concerned more about their userbase wallets then their own!

That is true, but I don't know about that at the same time.  People pay for XBL because of the games it has on it.  And next generation if my predictions are right then XBL may be able to replace Cable boxes and if that is so then even non gamers will be signing up for XBL.  I don't think people realize what that means to have a multimedia service.  This will not just be a threat to PSN, but a threat to cable and satellite services.  

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This can happen things change constantly ever year especially with gaming IMO.
Xbox looks like it wants to control living rooms (which like you said can hurt other non gaming companies), Nintendo wants to be on par online in their on way which is a good thing and having miiverse the twitter of nintendo,( they also want multiplayer to be in a single household like n64 was wit multiplayer), and Sony with the hardcore which all should do fine as long as sony doesn't copy wii u.

Love how everyone paints XBL as massive expense when they blow more money on crap everyday as compared to an annual expense. ex; gamers that buy every game released, smoking gamers , alcohol drinking gamers ,soda consuming & potato chip eating gamers, coffee drinking gamers . Do the math & bet live is way cheaper .

Miiverse is a very intersting take of online.  I like it a lot.  it bypasses internet forums all together.  The only thing I don't like about Miiverse is nintendo themselves.  They will not make a lot of the games they have online.  Like New Super Mario Bros U.  They want it to stay a in the living room experience and I think that is a  bad idea.  Their is no reason to disable online multiplayer in my opinion.  I think it would be more fun to have splitscreen multiplayer in these type of games but still that isn't an excuse to disable it from online.

I follow the Nash principle of economics, it's not just about yourself, you need to work in a way that benefits everyone. The more you raise up your userbase, the more you allow them to meet you at higher levels. Getting people to play many many games (and subsequently get bored of them) allows more developers to get more games played and bought, creating increased competition and exposure, which helps alleviate the market dependance on big name franchises, broadens the image, and actually gives devs a reason to try new things.

The more you help not only the consumers, but also the other devs, the better off everyone is.

It isn't cost of XBL versus all expenses and luxuries, it's the cost of XBL over a competing service that is free. You miss the point entirely.

lol that is more of a reason people are so damn fat.  It pisses me off when I go out and see so many fat people being lazy.  I take really good care of my body and it aggravates me when people do nothing and then complain.  

It's not a massive expense, it's a fruitless expense, which according to all those demographics you just mentioned would not agree with. I can drink a soda, and then I won't need a drink. What benefit does live grant me? Nothing.

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tbone51 said:

That is true, but I don't know about that at the same time.  People pay for XBL because of the games it has on it.  And next generation if my predictions are right then XBL may be able to replace Cable boxes and if that is so then even non gamers will be signing up for XBL.  I don't think people realize what that means to have a multimedia service.  This will not just be a threat to PSN, but a threat to cable and satellite services.  

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This can happen things change constantly ever year especially with gaming IMO.
Xbox looks like it wants to control living rooms (which like you said can hurt other non gaming companies), Nintendo wants to be on par online in their on way which is a good thing and having miiverse the twitter of nintendo,( they also want multiplayer to be in a single household like n64 was wit multiplayer), and Sony with the hardcore which all should do fine as long as sony doesn't copy wii u.





Miiverse is a very intersting take of online.  I like it a lot.  it bypasses internet forums all together.  The only thing I don't like about Miiverse is nintendo themselves.  They will not make a lot of the games they have online.  Like New Super Mario Bros U.  They want it to stay a in the living room experience and I think that is a  bad idea.  Their is no reason to disable online multiplayer in my opinion.  I think it would be more fun to have splitscreen multiplayer in these type of games but still that isn't an excuse to disable it from online.

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I wish i could disagree with you but your right. The only thing i believe is thats its early to tell maybe toward second half of next year all games will be better online. SSB4 is Ex of this. Besides for SSBB to be a slower more gravity feel like compared to SSBM the games online is what hurt it. This time around should be quite different.