I'm not trying to get you to join my position at all. That's not possible by argument. I'm trying to make the point that one does not have to be stupid to believe in God. Also making the point that Science is not infallable, much of what is theorized is not proven (or provable) fact, and many of the conclusions reached are the result of the individual's own interpretation of the world around them. We're all trying to make sense of life, I just have a different view than you.

Let's be honest here....its not like the debate parameter were set very well. You titled the topic "This is why I don't like debating religion" and then proceed to criticize a fundamentalist (straw-man) argument for homosexuality and religion in general. I mean.....what did you expect?

As for the bolded, maybe reread the thread.....

Let's be honest here....its not like the debate parameter were set very well. You titled the topic "This is why I don't like debating religion" and then proceed to criticize a fundamentalist (straw-man) argument for homosexuality and religion in general. I mean.....what did you expect?

As for the bolded, maybe reread the thread.....

I've read most of the thread, skipping past the dozen or so pages of arguing semantics and most of what DaRev has posted (after the dozenth insistence that what the bible said is right becuase the bible said it's right, I came to see his platform is wobbly at best and laughably poor for the most part), and it still isn't 'evidence'.  There are philosphpical viewpoints, the planting of doubt, and arguments over faith, b ut nothing saying "God exists, my religion is right, here's proof".  

I've read most of the thread, skipping past the dozen or so pages of arguing semantics and most of what DaRev has posted (after the dozenth insistence that what the bible said is right becuase the bible said it's right, I came to see his platform is wobbly at best and laughably poor for the most part), and it still isn't 'evidence'.  There are philosphpical viewpoints, the planting of doubt, and arguments over faith, b ut nothing saying "God exists, my religion is right, here's proof".  

In my opinion, it's mostly a psychological thing. You can see leading scientists profess to a faith that involves scientific absurdities but still do perfectly fine science in their work. So I wouldn't say that religious people are stupid. However, there are powerful psychological factors affecting what people belive, like how a kid is raised, community factors, etc. So while I wouldn't call religious people stupid, I won't hesitate to call the belief, or the doctrine itself illogical and/or, stupid.
Feel free to disagree of course.

I was referring to timmah's posts.....I think there were three or four of them looking at different teleological arguments for God's existence....all pretty well-formulated and articulated. Its fine if you don't agree with them (I don't actually accepT them), but that hardly means he didn't provide reasons for his beliefs, which is what you are claiming in your last sentence.

We've established pretty firmly that it's not possible to prove or disprove the existence of God, and you agree with that, yet you want somebody to say "God exists, my religion is right, here's proof"? So you have presented an impossible premise that we must meet in order to satisfy your wishes. Awesome.

Of course I disagree! :P I wouldn't believe what I did if I thought it was stupid. We'll never come to agreement arguing on a video game forum, so we obviously will have to agree to disagree. No hard feelings to anybody here. Definitely have appreciated the stimulating conversation! I'd love to stick around but we have friends coming over soon and my wife is giving me dirty looks, so I'd better get off (wait, that doesn't sound right), SIGN off.

I appreciate that, I have a lot of respect for people who can disagree and still be civil, so big props to you... Ok, now I'm actually leaving.