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Mandalore76 on 21 December 2012
Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Does this even matter now that the next gen has started?

Who takes 2nd will ultimately depend on who supports their legacy system the longest. Which is pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture.

Enter the Wii fan. 

Yes, it matters even though the next gen has started.  It's about lifetime sales.

Besides, the WiiU can hardly be considered "next gen".

Regardless of your feelings about WiiU, my point is still valid. 

PS3 & 360 are so close in sales that the winner will ultimately be decided by who supports their legacy system longest (almost certain Sony)

Who supports their system the longest will be determined by which console keeps selling, earning the support.

Case in point - Wii sales took a nosedive before the WiiU was announced.  I remember when people here were discussing whether the Wii would eventually outsell the PS2 - it's going to come up 50 million short, because it didn't have longetivity.

Creating a product with legs to sell over the long term has merit.

There are movies like Titanic or E.T. that grow with time.  Then there are movies like Twilight that do massive box office sales at the beginning, but see massive drops week to week.  The Wii is Twilight.  I bought one.  I don't play it.

People don't say Titanic's box office is irrelevant because it stayed in theatres longer to hit the numbers it did, even though it took a relatively long 25 days to reach $200 million.

I'm sorry, what is your point though?  The fact remains that Wii outsold PS3 in the 7th gen.  I don't see Sony making up a 30 million unit gap against Wii.  In all likelihood, they will finish with just under 12mil in sales for 2012, which will be 2 mil shy of 2011 and 2010 sales, and a mil shy of 2009.  So, they are already trending downwards.  And whether or not they are selling units in Timbuktu in 2015 and beyond isn't going to change that.  There are over 83 million PS2 owners who did not stick around and buy a PS3.  That's the merit of the product Sony created.



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thismeintiel on 21 December 2012
Gamerace said:
Miguel_Zorro said:

Who supports their system the longest will be determined by which console keeps selling, earning the support.

Case in point - Wii sales took a nosedive before the WiiU was announced.  I remember when people here were discussing whether the Wii would eventually outsell the PS2 - it's going to come up 50 million short, because it didn't have longetivity.

Creating a product with legs to sell over the long term has merit.

There are movies like Titanic or E.T. that grow with time.  Then there are movies like Twilight that do massive box office sales at the beginning, but see massive drops week to week.  The Wii is Twilight.  I bought one.  I don't play it.

People don't say Titanic's box office is irrelevant because it stayed in theatres longer to hit the numbers it did, even though it took a relatively long 25 days to reach $200 million.

You're oversimplying it.

Sony is well known to support old consoles for long periods and has an amazing pipeline into developing countries.  PS2 still sells well in some countries to this day.

MS on the other hand isn't available in a lot of those same countries and they abandoned the original Xbox completely after 360 came out.    I expect 360 will be much better supported (as it's sold much better) after the next system releases, but very unlikely as well as PS3 will be.

As for your Wii hate.  Whatever.  Neither system is likely to ever catch the Wii's sales.  That's just life.  Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.  I'm more interested in what's happening with this current/coming gen.

The only reason Sony continues to support its consoles for a long time is because they continue to sell.  The PS2, for example, has outshipped the DS so far this year, which is incredible considering the PS2 is 4 years older than the DS.  Now, if the PS2 was barely selling, as well as only breaking even or only being a slight profit, then Sony would have dropped it years ago.  As for the Wii, I can see the PS3 catching up to the Wii.  Probably not passing it, but it can definitely come within 5M of it if the PS3 conitues its slow drop YOY.



 

think-man on 21 December 2012

October 2013 Ps3 will over take the 360, I can feel it in my bones :)



 

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VGKing on 21 December 2012
kowenicki said:
Is that all. Slow going isn't it.

Slow and steady wins the race.



NeoRatt on 21 December 2012
Gamerace said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Gamerace said:
Does this even matter now that the next gen has started?

Who takes 2nd will ultimately depend on who supports their legacy system the longest. Which is pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture.

Enter the Wii fan. 

Yes, it matters even though the next gen has started.  It's about lifetime sales.

Besides, the WiiU can hardly be considered "next gen".

Regardless of your feelings about WiiU, my point is still valid. 

PS3 & 360 are so close in sales that the winner will ultimately be decided by who supports their legacy system longest (almost certain Sony)

PS3 and 360 are so close that it doesn't matter who is second or third.  Statistically these two consoles are tied this generation.  

I don't know how you can say long term support is a key to break a tie.  How are you going to measure long term support if the next gen xbox is fully backwards compatible and the PS4 isn't? or vice versa?  Wouldn't most potential owners buy the new console rather than the old console so they can play both sets of games?  It is highly likely that MS will have backwards compatibility because of their architecture.  Sony is shifting architectures drastically next gen which makes backwards compatibility less likely.

This is an victory for both Microsoft and Nintendo, because last gen, the PS2 was well over a 150,000,000 consoles.  This gen Sony will probably barely clear half of that.  Whereas Microsoft and Nintendo over doubled their sales.  The momentum is clearly not with Sony this generation.



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greenmedic88 on 21 December 2012
NeoRatt said:

PS3 and 360 are so close that it doesn't matter who is second or third.  Statistically these two consoles are tied this generation.  

I don't know how you can say long term support is a key to break a tie.  How are you going to measure long term support if the next gen xbox is fully backwards compatible and the PS4 isn't? or vice versa?  Wouldn't most potential owners buy the new console rather than the old console so they can play both sets of games?  It is highly likely that MS will have backwards compatibility because of their architecture.  Sony is shifting architectures drastically next gen which makes backwards compatibility less likely.

This is an victory for both Microsoft and Nintendo, because last gen, the PS2 was well over a 150,000,000 consoles.  This gen Sony will probably barely clear half of that.  Whereas Microsoft and Nintendo over doubled their sales.  The momentum is clearly not with Sony this generation.

That's pretty much the way it is although the hardcore brand fan would be loath to admit it. 

The issue of BC does raise somewhat of an interesting issue when it comes to residual sales of 7th gen consoles though. It's already a given that any PS3 retail BD games won't play on the PS4 due to the shift to PPC architecture and that software emulation of CBE is out of the question under current hardware restraints. This is not to say that many PS3 games won't be available on PSN, but that's not really the same to the PS3 owner with a shelf full of BD retail games. 

I bought a $199 PS3 as my extra given the number of BD games I've accumulated over the last 6 years. I should probably buy an extra PS2 when they announce production will end given that my BC PS3 is broken and I still have over 50 PS2 games on DVD. Legacy gaming can be a pain.

I'm not ruling out BC for the Xbox 3 yet since it appears to be keeping the same basic CPU/GPU, PPC/AMD architecture as a custom spec low cost gaming PC using updated hardware components. Whether that would influence residual sales of the 360 or result in MS pulling the plug on production earlier is open to debate. Personally, I think MS will leave the 360 on the market as a low cost option, given that hardware design and production have been so streamlined after 7 years that they can sell every unit for a fraction of the cost of their next gen system and still pull a decent profit on every unit sold. 

But Sony will easily clear half of 150m units. In fact it pretty much already has with over 71m sold to consumers. The 75 millionth unit should be rolling off factory production lines if not by the end of 2012, then some time in Q1 2013.



platformmaster918 on 22 December 2012
think-man said:
October 2013 Ps3 will over take the 360, I can feel it in my bones :)

so do you think 360 will retake the lead in november then?




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theprof00 on 23 December 2012
Miguel_Zorro said:

I'm not convinced that backwards compatilibity makes a difference for the "old" console.  If the next gen XBox is $399 or more and the 360 is selling for $149-$199 at the same time, they appeal to somewhat different markets.  The PS3 was backwards compatible in the first few years, and the PS2 kept selling.  The WiiU is backwards compatible, and the Wii is dropping quickly (unrelated though, since the Wii started dropping well before the WiiU was released).  I'm sure one could selectively cite examples to support an argument one way or the other, but there isn't a correlation.  Ultimately, the hardware manufacturer will continue to sell the console as long as there is a market for it.  "Most potential owners" wouldn't necessarily buy the new console, because it's out of their price range in the early days. $199 is the mass market price point.

As for barely clearing half of PS2 sales - the PS3 will hit 100 million.

This was actually one of the main reasons that BC was taken out of ps3.

You can almost see the clear evidence of it with the BC rumour of ps4. I don't know if you've heard, but supposedly, BC for ps3 will be supported through a 99$ attachment- a memory card housing the cell chip itself. Makes a lot of sense. Helps keep the ps3 selling, and prevents the ps4 from taking away too much of the good margin of ps3.



platformmaster918 on 23 December 2012
theprof00 said:
Miguel_Zorro said:

I'm not convinced that backwards compatilibity makes a difference for the "old" console.  If the next gen XBox is $399 or more and the 360 is selling for $149-$199 at the same time, they appeal to somewhat different markets.  The PS3 was backwards compatible in the first few years, and the PS2 kept selling.  The WiiU is backwards compatible, and the Wii is dropping quickly (unrelated though, since the Wii started dropping well before the WiiU was released).  I'm sure one could selectively cite examples to support an argument one way or the other, but there isn't a correlation.  Ultimately, the hardware manufacturer will continue to sell the console as long as there is a market for it.  "Most potential owners" wouldn't necessarily buy the new console, because it's out of their price range in the early days. $199 is the mass market price point.

As for barely clearing half of PS2 sales - the PS3 will hit 100 million.

This was actually one of the main reasons that BC was taken out of ps3.

You can almost see the clear evidence of it with the BC rumour of ps4. I don't know if you've heard, but supposedly, BC for ps3 will be supported through a 99$ attachment- a memory card housing the cell chip itself. Makes a lot of sense. Helps keep the ps3 selling, and prevents the ps4 from taking away too much of the good margin of ps3.

I would much prefer that setup.  Give us BC but keep the cost of your console down.  The only simpler solution would be have 2 different SKUs (one with one without) but that may be harder for the company to provide.




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MonstaMack on 23 December 2012

NeoRatt said:

PS3 and 360 are so close that it doesn't matter who is second or third.  Statistically these two consoles are tied this generation.  

I don't know how you can say long term support is a key to break a tie.  How are you going to measure long term support if the next gen xbox is fully backwards compatible and the PS4 isn't? or vice versa?  Wouldn't most potential owners buy the new console rather than the old console so they can play both sets of games?  It is highly likely that MS will have backwards compatibility because of their architecture.  Sony is shifting architectures drastically next gen which makes backwards compatibility less likely.

This is an victory for both Microsoft and Nintendo, because last gen, the PS2 was well over a 150,000,000 consoles.  This gen Sony will probably barely clear half of that.  Whereas Microsoft and Nintendo over doubled their sales.  The momentum is clearly not with Sony this generation.


What an excellent post.



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