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Does next-gen market will be big enough to have 3 big consoles????
Is Microsoft going to be able to conquer Europe?

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While I predict MS to win next gen (minus Japan) I acknowledge they must execute well to do so.

Wii could have been way over 100m if Nintendo didn't drop the ball since 2009. So if Nintendo and Sony can make mistakes, so can MS.

However I agree with mrstickball - MS knows exactly where it's going. It wants to own your living room. They don't care who they have to please in order to do that, but that is the end goal. MS has plans for your whole house! They want to run it and every aspect of your life in some way ultimately. The next Xbox is merely a tool, a foot in the door. And MS will take a loss if necessary to get in and stay in for the prospect of future glories.

Really Nintendo isn't a competitor to them and Sony hardly is now either. Apple and Google are the demons MS must slay to further their plans and it's Apple and Google who may ultimately be MS undoing.



 

1. MSFT has clearly had a clear path of multimedia for years.....In fact I find it interesting how you ignore a few things. Ninendo captured the casual market this gen, of course they have hardcore too but moving on, Sony captured the hardcore market. They tried expanding with move and failed miserably. 360 also captured the hardcore market but expanded successfuly with kinect. They're the only company of the three that hasa balance of harcore and casual fans. Yeah I'd say that is smart but ok

2. Really XBL will hurt them? lmao In reality XBL is a selling point. It has been the most successful online service since what, 2001? You're also forgetting there strategy here. Most likely this multimedia service will become a true reality with the NeXbox. It will no longer just be an online service, but a multimedia service. Everything in one box. P.S. we dont even know if XBL Online will be free or not, but even if it isnt it will certainly have the most content. Dont forget XBLA and digital content.

3. Really? I;m pretty sure both of their harcore and casual games has been successful this gen. Actually there console exclusive have beat out its competition in hardcore games, digtial games are the most successful, and lastly casual games sell well too.

4. Yes Xbox will not make a dent in Japan again. That I'll agree with but it is also not essential to win in japan. Rather just a luxury.

5. I highly doubt MSFT would make the same mistake with RROD.... Still I'll let people speculate on that but your reasons are mostly flawed.


EDIT: I want to add, I dont know who will place where next gen, I'm just saying this list is very flawed as we can not predict what they are doing. And some things you say are just blatantly wrong.




       


Interesting list you have there. I'm unsure what to make of it. To me, the current dearth of exclusives could also mean that they have been investing their time and money in making exclusive for the next Xbox. They seem pretty confident with the position of the Xbox 360, so why throw money on a given when we can focus on the next? (not suggesting that is good because the gamers miss out in the short run) We won't know for sure so we will have to wait and see if they have been doing so. They did try to do something with the Killer Instinct property, and I read a few articles about their studios working on next gen games (confirmed and not 'rumored titles'). However, I have to agree with you on the casual vs core point. Even if they are making new games we don't know the ratio so that's another thing to look at.

The online thing is tricky, but overall I agree with you. Before my 360 only friends used to say they don't mind paying for a "superior" service. However, since E3 and the instant games collection that notion has reversed somewhat among the more moderate 360 enthusiasts I know. This tells me the hardcore ones probably won't care (not to make any hasty or sweeping generalizations, just an observation).

Also, I know some people who find it hard to switch since they have been building up their profiles on Xbox live, so for them they will probably have 2 consoles (PS and X) rather than solely rely on M$ for their gaming needs. In this sense I think Nintendo is in the most vulnerable position since they are unproven, but I have faith Nintendo will pull things through. They seem serious this round and want to be taken seriously.



 

Playstation = The Beast from the East

Sony + Nintendo = WIN! PS3 + PSV + PS4 + Wii U + 3DS


CCFanboy said:

So with all this wii u speculation going around lately I figured I would take a crack at 'mindless speculation with nothing to truly back it'. I have long stated that I believe microsoft will be the next to make the serious mistakes. I was going to present my key point first but I think I will save it until last. The media, analysts and forum posters believe it is simple. Once 360 2 and ps4 come out wii u will be finished. But is it really that simple? I say no. Why? Because microsoft and sony are not immune to making mistakes and what is also interesting to note is (despite what you think right now) their systems are in for as much of a struggle as wii u when they come out regardless of their current 'street cred'. So without further ado I present to you my 5 arguments of why microsoft will be last in the next generation.

1. They have no clear path

The words 'core' and 'casual' are constantly thrown around the gaming community. While there are differing views of what defines these two groups one thing is for sure. The majority of the core hate 'gimmicks'. They have blasted nintendo for their family approach and walked away towards microsoft instead. Years of great social gaming and achievement hunting. All the third party support being shared with sony. No need to rush out to buy a far more expensive ps3. So it came as rather shocking to them that microsoft is not truly loyal to them, but to money. Like any business. They are starting to turn their backs on the core gamer in favor of the same types of 'gimmicks' nintendo betrayed them with. They are making multimedia functions a priority ahead of exclusive content. To show that one of their highlights at this years e3 was a nike game you know they have lost the plot. And it is all because of kinect. These purists will never accept kinect and they don't know why microsoft is trying. But they will have to get used to it. Constant rumors are doing the rounds that the next xbox will come bundled with kinect in the box. Kinect is here to stay.

2. Xbox live gold

Sony and nintendo are offering free online services. While there are many glaring holes in nintendo (bad connections, no achievements, online store maintenance, limiting chat functions) sony have all but caught up with microsoft. There is arguably only one feature that matters now. Cross game chat. Given vita has this much clamoured for function it is highly likely ps4 will. So why would one pay for a gold membership if sony correct their only problem. You can do all that on psn. Why not put that money to better use instead of paying yearly charges? XBL gold get out of here. We won't need you next generation. Dropping the price is a good idea but gamers would prefer this to be free. Everybody else is doing it. Why not microsoft? And no they don't even show any indication of dropping the price either.

3. Lack of dedicated exclusives

Now I won't throw the generalization that microsoft have no real exclusives. Because they do. They just don't make real use of them. They have all these great classics that rare have and could pass them off to any number of studios. But they don't. Instead of giving you a real banjo platform game, new killer instinct or a remake of jet force gemini, they are convinced you want the same 'casual' games nintendo have been forcing down your throats the past generation. Why have conker's other bad fur day when you can have kinect sports? Why have banjo threeie when you can have some kind of simpsons hit and run car mod platformer hybrid which doesn't know what it wants to be? And what about the rest of the xbox world? You have other stuff besides rare but because they don't sell to your expectations you throw out sequels to forza, fable or halo. At least keep forza different by calling it project gotham. Instead of dedicating yourselves to throwing real first party exclusives to make a huge variety you keep writing contracts for dlc on the next call of duty. Microsoft you have crackdown, kameo, perfect dark. So where are the sequels? If you are focusing towards shooters take a break from halo and give them perfect dark 2. Also stop shoehorning these lame kinect spin-offs. These are the reasons they left nintendo. They don't want some fable kinect game. They want real fable.

4. 360 2 + japan = dead on arrival

Now you can laugh and say I state the obvious or perhaps microsoft will get lucky enough to turn it around but your loss is my gain. Smaller japanese studios will probably make games for wii u and ps4 instead. Depending on how much of a dent sony can make when they get there of course. Will you ever see tales on xbox again? Only time will tell. Either way you probably won't see the amount of variety you saw this gen. In fact word on the street has it that bigger publishers like capcom and namco are more excited by wii u and ps4 then 360 2. Sure they will still release xbox games but with 360 2 no longer having the overseas marketshare of the 'otaku' crowd their japanese support is likely to suffer. But that is ok because 360 2 will have call of duty dlc instead. (note = this part is a joke given the generalization n4g throw that xbox is a console for 'shooters').

5. They focus too much on the competition

This is where I believe their inexpirience will show. For months now 360 2 has been rumored for a late 2013 release. It all seems likely that the 'real' next generation of gaming begins next year. This console will absolutely deliver. Wii u will fade into the shadows. Is this what ign's sources are saying? Well that could be true. Or not. Recent rumors coming up suggest microsoft is once again rushing their hardware in order to get a jump on the competition. Also they can't let nintendo get too far ahead so they need this next year (although you can argue nintendo is not a direct competitor and they have nothing to fear). But rushing again will seriously hurt them this time. It was only because of sony's mammoth entry price that they had no choice but to put up with 360. Sure sony were late but it was the price that put people off. Sony won't be going that easy on them this time. They have had two sluggish launches to learn from so you better believe they will be prepared for microsoft. Also sony waiting to some point when nobody knows means they are more concerned with themselves then what microsoft is doing. It was focusing on the competition that made sega lose sight of the ball. They were always eager to point out how they 'trump' nintendo that they never saw ps1 coming. Kinect is a sign they are going down rocky road and focusing too much on nintendo's market. They don't even seem to know what market they want anymore. Staying relevant in this industry is not just about moving with the changing market. It is about showing lessons you have learned from last time. If they truly are rushing hardware out to get a foothold fast enough again then what did they learn from 360? That type of move will only come to hurt them if they try it again. Microsoft can afford to delay into 2014 if they need to since nintendo isn't a real threat.

And that wraps up my mindless speculation with nothing to truly back it. You see microsoft have the least expirience of the big three. That already puts them at a disadvantage. Regardless of if you are seeing it or not nintendo have really delivered on their feedback. The wii u looks far more promising then the wii from where I am standing and they definitely learned from the hazard that was the 3ds launch. Sony will be a lot less likely to slip up then microsoft next time because they have the most to lose here. If you believe analysts and several forum posters they are nearing doom. My points in this post are made from the same humorous posts I find by the vocal majority and have nothing to do with my personal feelings towards the wii. I like the wii.

 

1. Out of all 3 companies entering next gen, how it is MS that has no clear path? Nintendo's console is not off to a great start and is more of a current gen console than next gen. There's no telling where the WiiU will go. It willl no doubt see plenty of support since developers have been using engines that can run on it for almost 8 years now. But will the sales warrant support? What if people don't buy into the handheld screen controller? What if as soon as MS and $ony launch real next gen consoles, gamers flock to them? The Wii had last gen graphics but it at least had the novelty of new control methods. Once next gen hits and Nintendo is once again separated by a generation of power, what advantage do they have now? Motion controls and tablets aren't new.

Regarding $ony, the company as a whole is in terrible financial shape. Their exclusive franchises are not selling well and in fact many are in a big decline. Who is to say what kind of console $ony will put out? Are we sure they will go toe to toe with MS and offer a beefy console that will cost $ony a lot of money to make and lose them a lot of money on each sale? Are we even sure they will make it through the next generation of gaming?

MS's goal in the gaming business was always to get the Xbox into the living room instead of the Playstation and be the center of entertainment. So it doesn't make sense to call any emphasis on family gaming like Kinect, or multimedia services, anything other than MS staying the course. Regarding a breakaway from exclusive content and a focus on gimmicks... when did this happen? In the physical retail market, exclusives are becoming a thing of the past. Publishers simply cannot afford to pass on so much potential revenue by dismissing one userbase. That, and it's become too expensive for $ony and MS to entice them to. The new "exclusive game" in todays market is timed exclusive DLC or exclusive content in general. The days of $ony having a year long exclusive on GTA games are long gone. In its place you have timed exclusives of the DLC. Or you have an extra mission or two exclusive to one platform or another. But an area where there are still plenty of exclusives is the digital market and there's no way anyone can sit and say that MS does not wipe the floor with $ony and Nintendo both in that area. And it's showed no signs of slowing down.

You also forget that $ony tried their own gimmicks and failed miserably. Plus yeah, there was a big deal made about the Nike Kinect game at E3. But what about Wonderbook? They spent over 10 minutes on that thing.

 

2. The issue with PSN vs Live is not just matching feature v feature. PSN still has tons, tons of room to make up before it's as fast or reliable as Live is. And this is an area where $ony may never catch up because they simply don't have the experience MS has. Furthermore PSN is still nowhere near the social hangout Live is. $ony tried desperately but failed. lol @ Home. This is a glaring issue for $ony when it comes to these services against one another and again, it's something they may never fix. Or, certainly not in just one generation anyway. Live evolved from a hardcore gamers online heaven on the original Xbox to the "cool" place to play games online on 360. And people don't mind paying. It's like if you go clubbing, and you can go to one club with no cover charge... or go across town to a different club that does everything the other one does, plus some other things, and does them all better. Everyone wants in this club but there's a cover charge. People are gonna be ok paying that cover charge. That's what Live is over PSN right now. It's not just what $ony and Nintendo are doing. As long as Live is around, it won't matter. Furthermore this "problem" is rendered null and void simply by looking at this generation. 360 won the US and is doing fine in Europe even with a pay to play MP system.

 

3. MS brought me Mark of the Ninja, Trials Evolution, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, Dust, Fez, Spelunky, Alan Wake AN, among others that slip my mind, just this year in 2012. I go back to the same point from statement #1. There may seem like a loss of exclusive content but people just don't look in the right place. Furthermore many of the "exclusives" people always list as games that MS has lost, are games like Lost Planet, Dead Rising, or Bioshock. Games that were never true exclusives in the first place, but were either timed exclusives or games that just took longer to come out on PS3 because it came out a year later. MS Studios has the highest metacritic average of any publisher. They do a fine job of giving us games. I do wish they would do a better job with Rare, but then again, maybe they know what we can only speculate? So many people have left Rareware, are we even sure that if they did a PD2 or a Kameo 2 or a new Banjo game, that it would even be any good? Too early to speculate here anyway, new generations are the time for new IP's so this will take care of itself with a new Xbox console.

 

4. True but irrelevant statement of common sense. MS didn't need Japan this gen and with the console market shrinking there, why would next gen make any difference? Furthermore you ignore that $ony is also losing a lot of ground there. PS3 has sold about 1/3 of what PS2 did.

 

5. It's incredibly funny to think that a new console launching EIGHT YEARS after the 360 is a result of responding to competition or rushing to be first out. If MS were truly focused on the competition, wouldn't they have wanted a new console out to beat 1st place Nintendo to market? Why would they care about 3rd place $ony?

 

 

For me the only issue MS has next gen is doing a better job with their 1st party lineup but with all the studios they are snatching up, I think they'll do a good job of that.



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J_Allard said:
CCFanboy said:

So with all this wii u speculation going around lately I figured I would take a crack at 'mindless speculation with nothing to truly back it'. I have long stated that I believe microsoft will be the next to make the serious mistakes. I was going to present my key point first but I think I will save it until last. The media, analysts and forum posters believe it is simple. Once 360 2 and ps4 come out wii u will be finished. But is it really that simple? I say no. Why? Because microsoft and sony are not immune to making mistakes and what is also interesting to note is (despite what you think right now) their systems are in for as much of a struggle as wii u when they come out regardless of their current 'street cred'. So without further ado I present to you my 5 arguments of why microsoft will be last in the next generation.

1. They have no clear path

The words 'core' and 'casual' are constantly thrown around the gaming community. While there are differing views of what defines these two groups one thing is for sure. The majority of the core hate 'gimmicks'. They have blasted nintendo for their family approach and walked away towards microsoft instead. Years of great social gaming and achievement hunting. All the third party support being shared with sony. No need to rush out to buy a far more expensive ps3. So it came as rather shocking to them that microsoft is not truly loyal to them, but to money. Like any business. They are starting to turn their backs on the core gamer in favor of the same types of 'gimmicks' nintendo betrayed them with. They are making multimedia functions a priority ahead of exclusive content. To show that one of their highlights at this years e3 was a nike game you know they have lost the plot. And it is all because of kinect. These purists will never accept kinect and they don't know why microsoft is trying. But they will have to get used to it. Constant rumors are doing the rounds that the next xbox will come bundled with kinect in the box. Kinect is here to stay.

2. Xbox live gold

Sony and nintendo are offering free online services. While there are many glaring holes in nintendo (bad connections, no achievements, online store maintenance, limiting chat functions) sony have all but caught up with microsoft. There is arguably only one feature that matters now. Cross game chat. Given vita has this much clamoured for function it is highly likely ps4 will. So why would one pay for a gold membership if sony correct their only problem. You can do all that on psn. Why not put that money to better use instead of paying yearly charges? XBL gold get out of here. We won't need you next generation. Dropping the price is a good idea but gamers would prefer this to be free. Everybody else is doing it. Why not microsoft? And no they don't even show any indication of dropping the price either.

3. Lack of dedicated exclusives

Now I won't throw the generalization that microsoft have no real exclusives. Because they do. They just don't make real use of them. They have all these great classics that rare have and could pass them off to any number of studios. But they don't. Instead of giving you a real banjo platform game, new killer instinct or a remake of jet force gemini, they are convinced you want the same 'casual' games nintendo have been forcing down your throats the past generation. Why have conker's other bad fur day when you can have kinect sports? Why have banjo threeie when you can have some kind of simpsons hit and run car mod platformer hybrid which doesn't know what it wants to be? And what about the rest of the xbox world? You have other stuff besides rare but because they don't sell to your expectations you throw out sequels to forza, fable or halo. At least keep forza different by calling it project gotham. Instead of dedicating yourselves to throwing real first party exclusives to make a huge variety you keep writing contracts for dlc on the next call of duty. Microsoft you have crackdown, kameo, perfect dark. So where are the sequels? If you are focusing towards shooters take a break from halo and give them perfect dark 2. Also stop shoehorning these lame kinect spin-offs. These are the reasons they left nintendo. They don't want some fable kinect game. They want real fable.

4. 360 2 + japan = dead on arrival

Now you can laugh and say I state the obvious or perhaps microsoft will get lucky enough to turn it around but your loss is my gain. Smaller japanese studios will probably make games for wii u and ps4 instead. Depending on how much of a dent sony can make when they get there of course. Will you ever see tales on xbox again? Only time will tell. Either way you probably won't see the amount of variety you saw this gen. In fact word on the street has it that bigger publishers like capcom and namco are more excited by wii u and ps4 then 360 2. Sure they will still release xbox games but with 360 2 no longer having the overseas marketshare of the 'otaku' crowd their japanese support is likely to suffer. But that is ok because 360 2 will have call of duty dlc instead. (note = this part is a joke given the generalization n4g throw that xbox is a console for 'shooters').

5. They focus too much on the competition

This is where I believe their inexpirience will show. For months now 360 2 has been rumored for a late 2013 release. It all seems likely that the 'real' next generation of gaming begins next year. This console will absolutely deliver. Wii u will fade into the shadows. Is this what ign's sources are saying? Well that could be true. Or not. Recent rumors coming up suggest microsoft is once again rushing their hardware in order to get a jump on the competition. Also they can't let nintendo get too far ahead so they need this next year (although you can argue nintendo is not a direct competitor and they have nothing to fear). But rushing again will seriously hurt them this time. It was only because of sony's mammoth entry price that they had no choice but to put up with 360. Sure sony were late but it was the price that put people off. Sony won't be going that easy on them this time. They have had two sluggish launches to learn from so you better believe they will be prepared for microsoft. Also sony waiting to some point when nobody knows means they are more concerned with themselves then what microsoft is doing. It was focusing on the competition that made sega lose sight of the ball. They were always eager to point out how they 'trump' nintendo that they never saw ps1 coming. Kinect is a sign they are going down rocky road and focusing too much on nintendo's market. They don't even seem to know what market they want anymore. Staying relevant in this industry is not just about moving with the changing market. It is about showing lessons you have learned from last time. If they truly are rushing hardware out to get a foothold fast enough again then what did they learn from 360? That type of move will only come to hurt them if they try it again. Microsoft can afford to delay into 2014 if they need to since nintendo isn't a real threat.

And that wraps up my mindless speculation with nothing to truly back it. You see microsoft have the least expirience of the big three. That already puts them at a disadvantage. Regardless of if you are seeing it or not nintendo have really delivered on their feedback. The wii u looks far more promising then the wii from where I am standing and they definitely learned from the hazard that was the 3ds launch. Sony will be a lot less likely to slip up then microsoft next time because they have the most to lose here. If you believe analysts and several forum posters they are nearing doom. My points in this post are made from the same humorous posts I find by the vocal majority and have nothing to do with my personal feelings towards the wii. I like the wii.

 

1. Out of all 3 companies entering next gen, how it is MS that has no clear path? Nintendo's console is not off to a great start and is more of a current gen console than next gen. There's no telling where the WiiU will go. It willl no doubt see plenty of support since developers have been using engines that can run on it for almost 8 years now. But will the sales warrant support? What if people don't buy into the handheld screen controller? What if as soon as MS and $ony launch real next gen consoles, gamers flock to them? The Wii had last gen graphics but it at least had the novelty of new control methods. Once next gen hits and Nintendo is once again separated by a generation of power, what advantage do they have now? Motion controls and tablets aren't new.

Regarding $ony, the company as a whole is in terrible financial shape. Their exclusive franchises are not selling well and in fact many are in a big decline. Who is to say what kind of console $ony will put out? Are we sure they will go toe to toe with MS and offer a beefy console that will cost $ony a lot of money to make and lose them a lot of money on each sale? Are we even sure they will make it through the next generation of gaming?

MS's goal in the gaming business was always to get the Xbox into the living room instead of the Playstation and be the center of entertainment. So it doesn't make sense to call any emphasis on family gaming like Kinect, or multimedia services, anything other than MS staying the course. Regarding a breakaway from exclusive content and a focus on gimmicks... when did this happen? In the physical retail market, exclusives are becoming a thing of the past. Publishers simply cannot afford to pass on so much potential revenue by dismissing one userbase. That, and it's become too expensive for $ony and MS to entice them to. The new "exclusive game" in todays market is timed exclusive DLC or exclusive content in general. The days of $ony having a year long exclusive on GTA games are long gone. In its place you have timed exclusives of the DLC. Or you have an extra mission or two exclusive to one platform or another. But an area where there are still plenty of exclusives is the digital market and there's no way anyone can sit and say that MS does not wipe the floor with $ony and Nintendo both in that area. And it's showed no signs of slowing down.

You also forget that $ony tried their own gimmicks and failed miserably. Plus yeah, there was a big deal made about the Nike Kinect game at E3. But what about Wonderbook? They spent over 10 minutes on that thing.

 

2. The issue with PSN vs Live is not just matching feature v feature. PSN still has tons, tons of room to make up before it's as fast or reliable as Live is. And this is an area where $ony may never catch up because they simply don't have the experience MS has. Furthermore PSN is still nowhere near the social hangout Live is. $ony tried desperately but failed. lol @ Home. This is a glaring issue for $ony when it comes to these services against one another and again, it's something they may never fix. Or, certainly not in just one generation anyway. Live evolved from a hardcore gamers online heaven on the original Xbox to the "cool" place to play games online on 360. And people don't mind paying. It's like if you go clubbing, and you can go to one club with no cover charge... or go across town to a different club that does everything the other one does, plus some other things, and does them all better. Everyone wants in this club but there's a cover charge. People are gonna be ok paying that cover charge. That's what Live is over PSN right now. It's not just what $ony and Nintendo are doing. As long as Live is around, it won't matter. Furthermore this "problem" is rendered null and void simply by looking at this generation. 360 won the US and is doing fine in Europe even with a pay to play MP system.

 

3. MS brought me Mark of the Ninja, Trials Evolution, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, Dust, Fez, Spelunky, Alan Wake AN, among others that slip my mind, just this year in 2012. I go back to the same point from statement #1. There may seem like a loss of exclusive content but people just don't look in the right place. Furthermore many of the "exclusives" people always list as games that MS has lost, are games like Lost Planet, Dead Rising, or Bioshock. Games that were never true exclusives in the first place, but were either timed exclusives or games that just took longer to come out on PS3 because it came out a year later. MS Studios has the highest metacritic average of any publisher. They do a fine job of giving us games. I do wish they would do a better job with Rare, but then again, maybe they know what we can only speculate? So many people have left Rareware, are we even sure that if they did a PD2 or a Kameo 2 or a new Banjo game, that it would even be any good? Too early to speculate here anyway, new generations are the time for new IP's so this will take care of itself with a new Xbox console.

 

4. True but irrelevant statement of common sense. MS didn't need Japan this gen and with the console market shrinking there, why would next gen make any difference? Furthermore you ignore that $ony is also losing a lot of ground there. PS3 has sold about 1/3 of what PS2 did.

 

5. It's incredibly funny to think that a new console launching EIGHT YEARS after the 360 is a result of responding to competition or rushing to be first out. If MS were truly focused on the competition, wouldn't they have wanted a new console out to beat 1st place Nintendo to market? Why would they care about 3rd place $ony?

 

 

For me the only issue MS has next gen is doing a better job with their 1st party lineup but with all the studios they are snatching up, I think they'll do a good job of that.


Well thought out. 




       

I remember so good how we had discussions how the X360 will fail because of reasons like already stated here. The Xbox did not sold good in Japan so X360 will be even less popular, Xbox 360 is not free online so why buy it? X360 has only Gears of war that is new IP... While PS3 have L.A.I.R/Motorstorm/Haze/FFXIII/FFXIIIversus...etc..

You got my point :).



 

Prepare to be very disappointed

NA alone will ensure that they do extremely well. In fact I expect an even bigger gap in NA next generation over this one.



JayWood2010 said:

1.They're the only company of the three that hasa balance of harcore and casual fans. Yeah I'd say that is smart but ok


Wrong. Ds got the core/casual balance to far greater success.

@ JAllard that is exactly the point. Microsoft is using this to make it the primary use in the living room but while doing that they are also neglecting gamers. And if you don't believe me:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45264926&postcount=1



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

CCFanboy said:
JayWood2010 said:

1.They're the only company of the three that hasa balance of harcore and casual fans. Yeah I'd say that is smart but ok


Wrong. Ds got the core/casual balance to far greater success.

@ JAllard that is exactly the point. Microsoft is using this to make it the primary use in the living room but while doing that they are also neglecting gamers. And if you don't believe me:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45264926&postcount=1

Home console.  Wasnt talking about handhelds.  That is why we are talking about PS4, NeXboxm and the WiiU, not the Vita and 3DS