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timmah on 12 December 2012
Soleron said:
timmah said:
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Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forego your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.



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Soleron on 12 December 2012
timmah said:
Soleron said:
timmah said:
...

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forgo your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.

I'm dying under all these personal pronouns.

Humans.



Mr Khan on 12 December 2012
timmah said:
Soleron said:
timmah said:
...

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forgo your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.

But who says you need to be armed with a lethal weapon?

Disabling is sufficient.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

ninetailschris on 12 December 2012
Soleron said:
timmah said:
...

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".


How is that example of murdering psychopath?

Murder is to kill someone illegally. Physchopath is someone who kills just for the joy of it and wants dead  just because they can for reason at all.

if a person is coming to attack your  wife there killing because its to protect there family member therefor it's a reaction of stopping a psychopath.

It's a natural reaction in man to make sure you will protect your family even if it means you or the other person has to die to do it.

For example, if I'm in my house with kids it's my job to stop anyone from coming in and hurting my kids. If I try to stop them and fail not only is my life at risk but my family.



"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen"  ~ max

Kasz216 on 12 December 2012
Mr Khan said:
timmah said:
Soleron said:
timmah said:
...

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forgo your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.

But who says you need to be armed with a lethal weapon?

Disabling is sufficient.

If you want to invent a disabling gun.  Feel free.



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Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
Mr Khan said:
timmah said:
Soleron said:
timmah said:
...

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forgo your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.

But who says you need to be armed with a lethal weapon?

Disabling is sufficient.



Yeah, let me disable a 250 lbs 6'4" criminal... THATS A BRIGHT IDEA!

"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen" LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!



Soleron on 12 December 2012
ninetailschris said:
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Because you're being just as bad as they are. I even think this if it's self-defence, except that it would be sufficient grounds to drop charges.



Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
timmah said:
Soleron said:
timmah said:
...

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forgo your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.

But who says you need to be armed with a lethal weapon?

Disabling is sufficient.

If you want to invent a disabling gun.  Feel free.


I wouldn't mind that. However, then you need to deal with an un-armed criminal... I don't believe that dis-arming gun would help you in that scenario.



ninetailschris on 12 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
Mr Khan said:
timmah said:
Soleron said:
timmah said:
...

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forgo your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.

But who says you need to be armed with a lethal weapon?

Disabling is sufficient.



Yeah, let me disable a 250 lbs 6'4" criminal... THATS A BRIGHT IDEA!

"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen" LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!

Can I put this in my sig? I need this quote in my sig xD



"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen"  ~ max

Soleron on 12 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
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Yeah, let me disable a 250 lbs 6'4" criminal... THATS A BRIGHT IDEA!

"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen" LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!

OK. It's very sad, people die every day. Can't be helped. I also believe terrorist attacks should be allowed for the same reason. The prevention (gun proliferation) is worse than the alternative.

If someone entered a house with the intent of killing, assume the target is already dead.