Victory for the Constitution... in Illinois?!

[Mr Khan]

timmah said:

Soleron said:

timmah said:

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Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't get. If you wait until the criminal is pointing a gun at you, you're alread dead. Good luck with that.

Also, that's not an emotional argument, it's something that unfortunately happens in the real world, and it is  a legitimate concern if somebody has forced entry into your home while you're there. You have way too much faith in criminals to be decent, well meaning people who just need some new stuff. Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, but it's simply naive.

Again, no. I expect them to be murdering psychopaths. It's just not OK to be one yourself.

And sure, rape happens, but why is the example you resort to, "but what if your wife was being raped?". There are other examples that are less "OH ITS MY WIFE YOU'RE RIGHT I'D SHOOT THE BASTARD".

Murder is different than home defense. If you break into my house, you're probably not leaving if you do ANYTHING to make me think you're a threat. That's not murder by any stretch. You forgo your rights when you break into my home, potenitally putting my family in grave danger. The fact that you just equated me defending my self and family to me bing a 'murderous psychopath' means you just lost all credibility.

Let me be clear, if you put your hands up or go into a non threatening pose (lying on the ground, run away, whatever), you can live to see another day. You make any move that looks like you might be going for a weapon or coming towards me, no way I'm taking a chance there.

But who says you need to be armed with a lethal weapon?

Disabling is sufficient.