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of course it will.
They will both announce the new console this year!

one of the two will rush to release it and the console will have sooo many problemns that they will strugle to keep up with the rest!



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gergroy said:
sergiodaly said:
gergroy said:
I would say that Wii U sales numbers won't actually have much of anything to do with the launch of the nextbox or ps4. As it is, I believe both Microsoft and Sony will release their next systems in late 2013 regardless of what Wii U's sales are. Both of their systems have started to hit their decline, so they need to release a new system in 2013 anyway.

chances are that next box and PS4 will be sold at a loss... PS3 and Xb360 sell at profit right now... if Wii U flop hard, they might milk this gen a little bit more... lots of AAA, quality wise and dev cost wise, games still to come in HD twins that will need legs to be profitable... so even 3rd party devs want to squize a little bit more the HD twins...

That just means they would continue to sell the old systems when the new systems hit the market.  Prolonging the gen to stay profitable one more year doesn't mean they still aren't going to have to face a loss when the new system hits the next year.  No, that doesn't make any sense at all.  

Like I said, no matter what the Wii U does Microsoft and Sony will release next year.   Especially since all the profitable part of the video game industry like software and accessory sales are so closely tied to system sales.  If 360 and ps3 sells continue to dry up, which they will, Microsoft and Sony will be faced with smaller revenues, less profit, and less brand power.  

sure they will have to face loss in 2014 as well in each console sold, but consoles aren't just hardware (with a microscopic OS) anymore... there are always some wrinkles to iron out... Wii U had some launch issues with the OS being slow at loading things... they really don't need to wait another year to launch after 2013... there are several options trough the 2014 year. Waiting a little bit more would make them have more supply for a successful launch, slightly cheaper manufacture price, better software support at launch, better overall Console at launch...

like you say in the second paragraph, software is key, and there is a lot of it for 2013 for the HD twins, if Wii U sales are flat low, they might use it to their advantage.



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Wii U will not affect Microsoft at all. Their console is not much better than 360 and the sales will reflect on that. Wii U is just an in between-console.



sergiodaly said:
osed125 said:

If both companies intend to launch their system by the end of 2013 there is no turning back without loosing money. Games are already being made and both companies have spend too much money to just "delay" the new consoles. So imo it doesn't matter if the Wii U sales are good or not, Sony and MS won't push there consoles launch (unless something major happens).

But to answer your question I believe the lowest the Wii U will do is 4m. Nintendo forecast 5.5m units by March and I believe they can achieve that goal. After that is pretty hard to say without knowing which games will be release.

really? Xbox 360 took a full year to do that in much better economic times and nintendo wants to do that in 4 months? Bold forecast...


This forecast is lower than the Wii (I believe that was 6m). There are great games coming next year (Pikmin 3, Monster Hunter, Rayman, Aliens Colonial Marines, etc) so it's possible for them to achieve that number. Nintendo systems usually have a big hyped that last for quite a while, so by March Nintendo is set imo. After that is what worries me since there hasn't been any announcement for games (outside of the obvious ones that will come eventually like Smash, 3D Mario, Zelda and Bayonetta 2 I guess).



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Since the imminent Wii U failure was already part of Sonys business plan, there will be no difference.



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osed125 said:

If both companies intend to launch their system by the end of 2013 there is no turning back without loosing money. Games are already being made and both companies have spend too much money to just "delay" the new consoles. So imo it doesn't matter if the Wii U sales are good or not, Sony and MS won't push there consoles launch (unless something major happens).

But to answer your question I believe the lowest the Wii U will do is 4m. Nintendo forecast 5.5m units by March and I believe they can achieve that goal. After that is pretty hard to say without knowing which games will be release.


exactly. 

wiiU's details last E3 may have influenced things a bit but MSony are already on a schedule.  it is too late to turn around regardless of wiiU sales.  the communication process and relationships with 3rd parties are ~10,000 times more important than wiiU sales volume.



osed125 said:

This forecast is lower than the Wii (I believe that was 6m). There are great games coming next year (Pikmin 3, Monster Hunter, Rayman, Aliens Colonial Marines, etc) so it's possible for them to achieve that number. Nintendo systems usually have a big hyped that last for quite a while, so by March Nintendo is set imo. After that is what worries me since there hasn't been any announcement for games (outside of the obvious ones that will come eventually like Smash, 3D Mario, Zelda and Bayonetta 2 I guess).

well if Nintendo is right they are set to be the most successful home console in 2013... i think is more on the optimistic side then in the realistic side.



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I would think that they always planned on 2013 to launch their next console. But if Wii U extremely fails at selling then they might push it back to 2014.



I think tomorrow's Nintendo direct is gonna be very important. Nintendo need to reveal exciting plans for the first half of the year to keep momentum going. I do think Sony and Microsoft are more worried with each other than Nintendo. Will that be a mistake? We will see.
I think the Wii U will sell more than a million until the end of the year, maybe close to 2. Until May... hmm... its still hard to tell these things without at least a week 2, but it depends on the momentum and game coming out. Maybe it can get 3+- millions by then.



That is how the executive leadership at Sony and MS think about it

If they release comparable systems which will get all / most of the same games in terms of 3rd party support, then they don't want to reach the market too late or Wii U will have majority marketshare and be lead platform for developers (especially if it is the slightly weaker version hardware - historical fact that weakest hardware end up being the lead dev platforms).

If the release much more powerful machines (more expensive) then they will need 1st party software like nothing else to drive the sales. Waiting a year could have more software ready and cheaper launch hardware.