I'm not talking about the mom's who bought their kids a Wii. I'm talking about the soccer mom's who bought themselves Wii Fit. If they are still using Wii Fit they won't buy another console. If they stoped using Wii Fit just like they stopped using their exercise bike then they won't be buying another console either.

The Wii caught lightning in a bottle by appealing to people who thought swinging a controler like a tennis racket looked like fun. To them it's not a lifestyle. They aren't gamers. They had fun with their new toy and they are done with it. That's why they didn't continue buying more and more games for their Wii's and why they aren't knocking eachother over for a Wii U this holiday season.

I expect the Wii U to be successfull, but not Wii successfull. I'm think more like the N64 or Gamecube in lifetime sales.

As for my deffinition of a gamer. I consider anyone who calls themself a gamer to be a gamer. Soccer Moms and grandparents may balance on a board or roll a virtual bowling ball, but to them it's an activity. To gamers a video game is more than entertainment.

Why are you taking this so personal? If you think I'm bashing Nintendo fans I assure you I am not. I am a long time Nintendo fan. I was there when Nintendo was "That Donkey Kong Company" and I've been a fan ever since. Despite my love of all things Mario, Zelda,. Metroid, etc. I just don't find it remotely possible for the Wii U to be as successfull as the Wii. The Wii was a fluke. A fun fluke, but a fluke none the less.

"games are just for fun nothing more" Yeah, but games are to gamers as football is to football fans. Games are to none-gamers like a football is to a hockey fan. A hockey fan might have fun tossing the old pig skin around around in the backyard with his kids but hockey a fan he will stay.

"why just about anyone can call themselves a gamer" Really? I mean, are you being for real? We're talking about video games, so by "gamer" you know I mean video game fan not board game fan. A fan of board games isn't going to call themself a video gamer. Board game fans may call themselves gamers, but you know very well that I'm was talking about video game fans. Soccer mom's and grandparents may waggle a Wiimote from time to time but they aren't video game fans. You have to be a fan of video games to be a gamer. Casual game fans are gamers if they consider themselves to be. But owning a dust collecting balance board doesn't a video game fan make.

"I mean did you ever think the wii would do as well as it did?" Yes I did, I could tell everyone and their mom was going to want to play Wii Sports. But I could also tell all those new Wii Sports players weren't going to magicly start playing Mario, Zelda, Metroid or Call of Duty.

"The wiiU will be a more logically better compared to the PS4 and x720 in terms of sales"<- eh? lol come on man..  but logically its way to early to say..

.. wow you say a lot and go in circles to explain your point.. im getting dizzy reading it.. ill leave it at that.. =S 

"The wiiU will be a more logically better compared to the PS4 and x720 in terms of sales"<- eh? lol come on man..  but logically its way to early to say.. <-come on man what.. what are you trying to say? u saying ps4/x720 is already defeated? or is it something else?