- Their camera division is one of their most successful divisions.
- Killing the Vita = Horrible long term effects. We also have no clue the system is really a financial burden or if the weak postings from the gaming division is caused by R&D ramping up.
- Making Playstation/Smartphones/Tablets benefit each other has been an ongoing process. You haven't been keeping up with things.
- PS3 bundled with competitor TV's wouldn't work. I say this because it's cheap to bundle your systems with your tv's, I can't imagine it being cheap with someone elses. 

They should just drop out of the TV and Laptop business.

Killing the Vita 

ok why the hell would Sony go and do something like that when the trends in gameing forward are mobile devices connected to Hubs?

you do not think for one second that Sony would not put the PSVita inside the package with the PS3 and sell it as a bundle. you do not think thats what they are intending to do anyway, with their recent moves of cross buy, cross play, PSN+ access for both platforms and Mobile devices like the playstation Mobile platform.?

The fact that not every where in the market is Sony loosing money on every PSVita sold. and a bundle PSVita+PS3 for $399.00 you do not see that being made ?

when the trends are MOBILE HANDHELDS CONNECTED TO HUBS IS WHAT IS MOVING FORWARD NOT JUST BECAUSE OF NINTENDO is doing it, BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS MOVING TOWARD THAT VERY SAME THING anyway!

joeorc, I seem unable to reply or quote on this forum, so I always need to do fresh posts, but...

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. It has nothing to do with what the CEO is doing, Sony's situation is getting worse. I felt they were junk (from an investment perspective only) months ago. They are making a profit as a complany, but their interest payments on their debt is greater than their profit, so their debt is growing. There is almost no way out of the hole. Investment advisors tend to be reactionary and not see things until after they happen, but this rating should have been on there some time ago. There is nothing corrupt about these ratings....they just should have been this way before Sony started hopelessly hacking away at their company.

its one thing to rate the company this way, and Sony does deserve it, but on the same token to rate downgrades so fast as to evade the outlook of restructureing effects of a proactive CEO taking measures that other CEO's did not take under the helm to fix current problems, and yet not give the restructing any real  chance to see a turn around and to downgrade the stock so fast that it makes said company very unlikely to recover in a meaningful way in the short term to mid term for turn around when the company itself out right told the credit agencys how and the effects of their restructuring is being taken. but the credit agencys are not going to give the restructure any Merit, thus the downgrade even sooner rather than later to see if it pans out for change.

if people in charge are hedge fund managers do you honest think there is no manipulation going on in the market?

you pointed out this:

" but their interest payments on their debt is greater than their profit, so their debt is growing. There is almost no way out of the hole. Investment advisors tend to be reactionary and not see things until after they happen, but this rating should have been on there some time ago."

why was it not? was that because they were being nice? not stiff enough, why now?

you cannot have it both ways, they turned over a new leaf and now are being more proactive in their projections, hey how about a credit rating on a credit rating agency? would they apply the same points of docking their own rating for not being better at their job?

You are both over looking the point of joeorc post, it's not a kill the messenger thing, more like a conflict of interest thing, how hard is it to argue that joeorc? Kowen, the Italian gov can be corrupt but rateing agencies can't? Joes links make a pretty good case against them to the point where it makes this thread almost irrelevant.

This rateing topics have been the only topic fanboys have been clinging to for the whole 2012, all the rating does is affect how much Sony pay to get a loan, does not mean Sony is going belly up or don't have cash to spend on ps4 or vita, we are stll getting great games.

Just another troll topic for the fans.

Sony CAN afford a PS4 launch, but they will have to play it smart...

Instead of a 600 dollar ultra super powerful machine selling at a loss, they can go with a 400 dollar powerful enough machine selling at cost or even with a small profit.

Instead of creating their own complex architecture with a custom CPU, they can go more for out of the box parts.

Instead of focusing on hardware, they can work on better, faster and easier to use development tools

The thing is that most of the Sony fans WANT that Ultra Super Powerful machine, with complex and unique architecture, instead of something less powerful, so they either convince their buyers that they bought the not so powerful machine, or introduce something different to disrupt the market (like the Wii did)

i doubt PS mobile will be sucessfull.

So guess bonds are Sonys only option. Loans are out of the question.

hell for all we know Sony may

Share Repurchase their stock after they pay back debts.